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#1 2014-07-10 15:35:15

Al-Allo
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Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Hi,

Can somebody show me a ressource of how to extract the square root of a polynomial that is a square and the same goes for a polynomial that is a cube (to find its cube root)

Thank you!

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#2 2014-07-10 23:30:20

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Can we see the problem?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#3 2014-07-11 02:45:35

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

I don't have a problem exactly. Unless you want an example because you don't understand what I wrote ???

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#4 2014-07-11 02:51:01

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

An example would help.


"Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas."
-Albert Einstein

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#5 2014-07-11 02:55:22

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Ok, well if I gave you : (a+b-c)(a+b-c) or (a+b-c)(a+b-c)(a+b-c), each in developped form and I asked you what were the square root of the first and the cube root of the second, you would have : (a+b-c) and (a+b-c).

I want to extract the root in developped form!

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#6 2014-07-11 03:02:17

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

You mean like this:


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#7 2014-07-11 03:04:12

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Yes. I think that to find the square root we should use the square root algorithm for numbers.... But I'm not sure.The same goes for the cube root, maybe we should use the cube root algorithm.

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#8 2014-07-11 03:08:39

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Do you have access to some computing power? Do you program or have a CAS?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#9 2014-07-11 03:10:11

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Nah, I don' even know what is a CAS. But I would want to do it by hand....

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#10 2014-07-11 03:14:48

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

It will be tedious.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#11 2014-07-11 03:15:54

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Yes, I know, but I would still like to see how it's done ^^ By curiosity

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#12 2014-07-11 03:22:15

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

One way would be by a template:


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#13 2014-07-11 03:23:25

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Ok, byt is there a sort of long division method we could use ???

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#14 2014-07-11 03:25:09

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

I would guess so but you would have to know the form of the cube root before you start.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#15 2014-07-11 03:30:58

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Ah, i was trying to find a way to find the root with only the developped form.

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#16 2014-07-11 03:32:10

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

I would use the template provided in post 12. It is a general solver for all trinomials.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#17 2014-07-11 03:39:22

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Well, I think I could show you an example of what I was talking about. I read it somewhere :

We have :

a^2+2ab+b^2

Now we know that the first term of the root will be "a"

so...

a^2+2ab+b^2(a

"a" squared cancels the other a^2

2ab+b^2(a

Now, we know that 2ab+b^2=(2a+b)b and so if we can figure out a divisor, we will also know the root. We also know the first term of the divisor because it is always the double of the firm term of the root. (Look at the square root algorithm :http://www.basic-mathematics.com/square-root-algorithm.html)

2ab+b^2(a+b           (we find, by luck I guess, that we have "b" for the second term.)
____________
2a+b)2ab+b^2
         2ab+b^2
______________
               0

Anyway, i was searching for something like what I described.

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#18 2014-07-11 03:40:42

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

Can you extend that to a cubed form?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#19 2014-07-11 03:42:46

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

bobbym wrote:

Can you extend that to a cubed form?

Well, I don't know. Let's hope that we can....

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#20 2014-07-11 03:44:46

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

It is easier to use this:

1) Look at the coefficient in front of a^3 in my example. It is 8. Take the cube root of it. So n1 = 2. Follow so far?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#21 2014-07-11 03:45:42

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

bobbym wrote:

It is easier to use this:

1) Look at the coefficient in front of a^3 in my example. It is 8. Take the cube root of it. So n1 = 2. Follow so far?

yes

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#22 2014-07-11 03:50:09

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

2) Look at the coefficient in front of c^3 in my example. It is -27. Take the cube root of it. So n3 = -3.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#23 2014-07-11 03:52:55

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

bobbym wrote:

2) Look at the coefficient in front of c^3 in my example. It is -27. Take the cube root of it. So n3 = -3.

Following

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#24 2014-07-11 03:54:08

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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

3) Now take a look at the abc term. What do you see?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#25 2014-07-11 03:58:12

Al-Allo
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Re: Finding the second and third root of a square and cube.

bobbym wrote:

3) Now take a look at the abc term. What do you see?

That we have 36 ???

Last edited by Al-Allo (2014-07-11 03:58:48)

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