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#26 2005-12-09 11:43:23

Jims
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Re: Philosophy of math

Mandelbrot eh?  If you're talking about fractals;

Creating chaos with order.

A few years back, I figured out a way to make fractals using photoshop.
Ever since I've been making digital art and hope to have a gallery quality website up before new years.

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#27 2005-12-09 16:09:31

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Re: Philosophy of math

Fractals using Photoshop? How?

And give us a sneak preview! (Post Reply, Image Upload, ...)


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#28 2005-12-10 02:42:17

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Re: Philosophy of math

Sure, take pictures of clouds and fuse them together on photoshop!


Definitions are not always pleasant.


Static or not, I am still against randomity.What is faulty with my "starting values" theory?If I'm so wrong, then correct me.
Common equations are too weak to express the mechanics of the universe.


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#29 2005-12-11 13:51:46

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Re: Philosophy of math

"pictures of clouds"
You got it!
Then i take a picture of photoshop and evaporate the print using a kiln, to turn photoshop into clouds.  I also use a spray bottle, to add a little moisture. ... you know, so it'll rain.
But's thats just practice.

I'll be sure to post a link to the site when it's up ... within a few weeks.

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#30 2005-12-11 16:27:20

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Re: Philosophy of math

Have to be careful of the kiln temperature, or you will have fractal flames.


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#31 2005-12-11 23:27:55

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Re: Philosophy of math

That rises a question: are flames fractals? As we know, fire isn't "really" a substance, so it can't "really" have a form?


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#32 2005-12-11 23:41:29

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Re: Philosophy of math

Not a substance - true. It is a phenomenon involving heat and light.

But flames and clouds do seem to have similarities: varying densities, hard-to-define edges, constantly changing form.


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#33 2005-12-12 03:24:49

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Re: Philosophy of math

Which I suppose makes them fractals.


Another question: do you think Newtonian (or any) laws apply to the noosphere or to people's information fields?
Ok, this isn't really scientific but "what comes around goes around" sure looks like one of Newton's laws.
And if information fields can be defined, how?


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#34 2005-12-12 04:24:40

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Re: Philosophy of math

I think fire is a substance. It's just a gas that has been heated beyond its flashpoint.

Here's a fun thing to do: Prop up a match using blu-tack in your microwave, light the match and turn on the microwave. The microwaves will then ionise the gases around the flame and make the match give off plasma (the 4th state). And I promise it won't wreck your microwave either. smile

Kind of back on-topic: If you plot y = sin(360x) for integer values of x, you should get a flat line at 0. But if you do that in Excel, then because of rounding errors it gives you values that are around 10^-15. Plot the graph in Excel and you get a kind of fractal thing.


Why did the vector cross the road?
It wanted to be normal.

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#35 2005-12-12 05:24:54

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Re: Philosophy of math

My graphic calculator (rounded 10^13) gives the same.


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#36 2005-12-12 08:34:11

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Re: Philosophy of math

I used 2π as the multiplier and got:

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#37 2005-12-14 07:32:03

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Re: Philosophy of math

Could exact-similary fractals be created in other ways than using standard geometry figures?


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