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**Problem**

You need to find (at most) 20 ways of representing a natural number as a sum of (at most) four perfect squares.

*Details*

The number can be upto 10 digits large.

*Last edited by Agnishom (2014-02-28 02:26:03)*

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

You want 20 instances of a 10 digit number represented as 4 squares? For instance:

22077^2+20975^2+15106^2+8890^2=**1234567890**

you want 19 more like that?

A first effort with M:

```
square4[n_] :=
Block[{ans},
ans = FindInstance[a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 == n, {a, b, c, d},
Integers, RandomSeed -> #]& /@ Range[20];
ans = Union[Flatten[ans, 1]];
If[Length[ans] == 20, {a, b, c, d} /. ans]]
```

Run square[7777777777]

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```
In[1]:= square4[n_] :=
Block[{ans},
ans = FindInstance[a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 == n, {a, b, c, d},
Integers, RandomSeed -> #] & /@ Range[20];
ans = Union[Flatten[ans, 1]];
If [Length[ans] == 20, {a, b, c, d} /. ans]]
In[3]:= square4[7777777777]
Out[3]= {{19490, 10320, 82626, 21549}, {31912, 9596, 75889,
30136}, {34436, 11990, 57866, 55675}, {38076, 31252, 72801,
7164}, {41376, 32166, 69642, 13459}, {45004, 554, 55403,
51794}, {45904, 9556, 74332, 7351}, {49972, 41088, 58680,
12207}, {51066, 27024, 50026, 44013}, {51074, 17822, 67096,
18701}, {55912, 198, 54798, 40605}, {56524, 50588, 43496,
11479}, {58572, 30254, 58581, 246}, {60124, 31236, 45207,
33816}, {61456, 3434, 58477, 23866}, {61554, 21900, 54806,
22485}, {64216, 44750, 29539, 27910}, {66136, 12574, 49501,
28202}, {70574, 3300, 46635, 24726}, {84902, 18774, 14724, 411}}
```

Works!

A Windoze 8 laptop is downloading tons of data whenever I connect it. How do I immediately stop this?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Very good!. Do you see why it is only a first effort?

Also, please wrap a Timing command around fubar.

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What is the secret behind Mathematica's FindInstance command?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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It is the most powerful command that can be had. It uses all known algorithms to answer and solve many, many questions. But you have not answered the question.

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```
In[8]:= ClearSystemCache[]; Timing[fubar[7777777777];]
Out[8]= {0.499203, Null}
```

How do I program this without a mathematical software?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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A greedy algorithm is probably okay.

But you did see that this is only a first effort. Do you see the one procedural construct in it at the end?

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No??

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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If [Length[ans] == 20, {a, b, c, d} /. ans]

An if then statement is a procedural statement. This one says if Length of the answer so far is 20 then print it ( among other things ). fubar assumes that it will always return 20 answers but that is unknown. There may be inputs that do not return 20 answers!

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I do not quite see what is wrong with it.

What is this: RandomSeed -> #]& /@ Range[20];

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is tough to understand at first. It just gets 20 random seeds for FindInstance.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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`In[8]:= ClearSystemCache[]; Timing[fubar[7777777777];] Out[8]= {0.499203, Null}`

And it took 4.37s in raspbian VM, not bad I think.

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bobbym wrote:

That is tough to understand at first.

Please explain anyway

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Do you know what the Range command does?

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no

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Okay, did you notice there are no loops in my function?

The reason is functional languages have no need for loops. Commands work on and create whole lists at a time.

Range[10] would produce {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10} search the help to see all the options.

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But internally, they are programmed through loops. Aren't they?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not know and probably that might be true. But as a high level language the user is taken away from that mode of thinking and brought into a different paradigm. Mind you, the less C++, Basic, Fortran, Pascal, etc you know the better off you are when trying to get into a functional world. That is a personal opinion but I have seen it to be true.

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Why should it be a personal opinion? M is optimised for functional programming and I think you are correct and I should think in a Functional approach when programming in M.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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My opinion was this, the more you know of those languages the harder it will be to switch.

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Okay, that is a personal opinion. I will not comment on it.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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It can not be helped either. Did you get the Range command?

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Hmm, yes

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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How do you get the first 100 squares with your favorite language?

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