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#26 2013-07-04 02:24:32

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Re: factoring a polynomial

That quote quote is not correct. According to Wikipedia the GCD or HCF can be extended to rationals ( fractions ).


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#27 2013-07-04 02:24:58

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Re: factoring a polynomial

So.....How is it done ???

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#28 2013-07-04 02:29:09

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Re: factoring a polynomial

There are algorithms to compute the GCD (HCF). But for these problems they are not necessary.

Look at the example you gave.

1/2 and 1/6

If you take the smaller of the two and divide both 1 / 2 and 1 / 6 by it what do you get?


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#29 2013-07-04 02:34:30

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Re: factoring a polynomial

gives me 3

gives me 1

but I'm not sure of understanding what I'm doing sad

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#30 2013-07-04 02:50:31

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Re: factoring a polynomial

Hi;

You need help with that division?


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#31 2013-07-04 02:52:20

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Re: factoring a polynomial

bobbym wrote:

Hi;

You need help with that division?

Why, my answer isn't correct ?

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#32 2013-07-04 02:58:46

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Re: factoring a polynomial

You answer is correct, but then you said you did not understand what you were doing. Which part?


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#33 2013-07-04 03:01:24

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Re: factoring a polynomial

Well, I don't understand how we find a factor of two fractions, that's what xD  So, I wasn't sure how dividing my two fractions by 1/6 would give me my answer to my initial question...  Thank you for your help

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#34 2013-07-04 03:03:19

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Re: factoring a polynomial

If you have two numbers or fractions what is the biggest number that can go into the smaller number?


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#35 2013-07-04 03:05:44

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Re: factoring a polynomial

the biggest comon divisor

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#36 2013-07-04 03:13:11

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Re: factoring a polynomial

Say you have 18 and 6. The smaller number is 6. if you divide both numbers by the smaller number you get 1 and 3. How do you now know that you have found the GCD?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#37 2013-07-04 03:16:30

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Re: factoring a polynomial

because you took the smallest number between the two and it went even in the biggest number

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#38 2013-07-04 03:17:47

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Re: factoring a polynomial

But how do you know there isn't a larger factor?


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#39 2013-07-04 03:27:58

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Re: factoring a polynomial

bobbym wrote:

But how do you know there isn't a larger factor?

Not sure what other explanation I can give hmm

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#40 2013-07-04 03:29:09

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Re: factoring a polynomial


Anyway, the reason why I asked you how to find a common factor of two fractions was because of this...

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#41 2013-07-04 03:33:31

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Re: factoring a polynomial

The reason you know you found the gcd is becuase the GCD is the biggest number that goes into both. When you use the smaller one you know you have the biggest one obviously for the smaller. If it goes into the larger you know there can be nothing bigger because it will not go into the smaller number.

And -2cd is a common factor of those two monomials.


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#42 2013-07-04 03:37:02

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Re: factoring a polynomial

But you said earlier that neither -2cd or 2cd was good.....

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#43 2013-07-04 03:39:52

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Re: factoring a polynomial

As the GCD we do not know yet but as a factor it is okay.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#44 2013-07-04 03:43:44

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Re: factoring a polynomial

bobbym wrote:

As the GCD we do not know yet but as a factor it is okay.

Ah ok. Still, as I see, I'm lacking knowledge of basic things xD Oh well, Atleast I can continue to learn about it.

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#45 2013-07-04 03:49:01

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Re: factoring a polynomial

Hi;

I have to go offline until later see you then.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#46 2013-07-04 03:51:04

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Re: factoring a polynomial

Bye Bye ! Thank you again!

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#47 2013-07-04 04:39:55

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Re: factoring a polynomial

my old textbook says gcd(a/b,c/d) = gcd(a,c)/lcm(b,d)

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