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Yes, that I've seen

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Now the notation does the rest. We can write

Where

is the nth Fibonacci number.

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Hmmm...

The next challenge is to find something whose taylor series is 5x + 5^2*x^2 + 5^3*x^3....

Which we could do with the formula of GP but to bad, I've forgotten that

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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One second we are getting there.

We can further write.

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Yes, thats just the same thing with some more notation

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Okay, if we substitute 1 / 5 for x we get, (1/5), ( 1/5)^2, (1/5)^3...

or written as

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yes great! Awesome!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have not changed anything on the LHS, so lets do that now.

Make the substitution:

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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We are done with that, I guess...

Now the big question is how did you find a function whose taylor series contains the fibonacci?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You do not have to, x / (1 - x - x^2) is the generating function. Each problem has a different gf usually. Some are so useful they have hundreds of uses for that gf like the Catalan numbers,

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x / (1 - x - x^2) is the generating function.

How did you come to know?

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Because basically they are derived from the recurrence that states the problem. f(n) = f(n-1) + f(n-2). That is one way.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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Would you show their derivation?

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Hi;

Off hand I do not remember how. I will post when I find it.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_ … wer_series

Please see this and explain it to me

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

I do not like his proof. For one thing, F0 makes little sense to me.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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But, I thought you were talking about this one

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Straight out of Wilf's book.

We start with:

multiply the LHS by x^n and sum over n+1 to get,.

On the RHS we get:

Solving for F(x) we get:

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How did you get that by multiplying the LHS with x^n?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Beats me! Herbert is about 200 times smarter than me.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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Does it mean you understand it neither?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not understand his derivation. I rarely understand someone else's proof or program. I always have to do it myself to have any chance.

I had a method that was so good it worked on a small programmable calculator. I do not remember it though.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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What is a programmable calculator?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Today they call them graphic calculators.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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How is the taylor series of sin found out?

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