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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi bob

Nice work! My formula looks similar to yours in that it uses {a}=a-floor(a) but all three of us got a different formula! That's so cool.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Thanks. Now, please stop giving me interesting challenges for a while. I've got a lot of stage equipment to sort out and put away.

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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xaxa xD

you don't have to answer them if you don't want to

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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But it's the challenge!

Bob and signing off before you sneak in another.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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#2)Find the general term of the sequence:

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Oh !

I'll think about it.

You may have a long wait ..............

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still thinking

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Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi bob

i think you need to reboot again.

i thought you would be mad at me

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi Bob,

Good to know another nice formula!

Hi anonimnystefy,

G.f's can be used here to solve the recurrence.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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It tends to 2.7912878474779....... as n tends to infinity. (quite quickly)

I don't suppose you would accept

f(n) = 2.791287847 for all n greater than 12, would you? he he!

hi gAr,

where did G(x) come from?

Bob

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi Bob,

Yes, I think the question requires a(n) as n->∞, which is (1+√21)/2

G(x) is just a generating function for the series, chose x as a variable.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi gAr

nice work!and thanks for the GF.

did you try yourself at #2?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi anonimnystefy,

You're welcome.

I think there's no closed formula for #2. It converges to a value.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Oh, the generating function for 3,6,8,16 ......

I thought it was for the root 5 problem.

Doh!

Bob

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Ok!

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi gAr

a_n=1/n - it converges.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

a_n=1/n ?

I did not get you.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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that's a sequence that is convergent and has a closed form.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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I don't think gAr was saying convergent => no closed form but rather

(i) it has no closed form AND (ii) it is convergent.

Did you just make it up or are you expecting that it has a formula (eg. the book says so)?

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi bob

I found that sequence before in a math magazine we get at school and the magazine was asking for a value of convergence.i just took the same sequence and just asked for a closed form.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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OK. So maybe it is true that it has no closed form.

Where's bobbym when you need him? I haven't seen him at all today. Hope he is OK.

Do you know how to get the convergence?

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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hi bob

i saw him around noon.yesterday i didn't see him much either.something might be happening with him.

yes,i do,but i don't know if it's mathematically accepted:

s=sqrt(5+sqrt(5+sqrt(...+sqrt(5+sqrt(5)))))

s=sqrt(5+s)

s^2-s-5=0

s= (1+sqrt(21))/2

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi anonimnystefy,

That's what I answered in #35.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi gAr

yes,but bob asked me if I knew how to find it.

**#3) Find the sum of the first n terms of the sequence:**

**1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,...**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Ok.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi gAr

Yes,but you haven't answered the question!

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