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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
- Registered: 2011-05-23
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You can see there that a permutations of n elements always contains n elements, and not less.

You can call them variations and still use EGFs. I just cannot remember how to do that.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
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anonimnystefy wrote:

You can see there that a permutations of n elements always contains n elements, and not less.

"permutations and combinations" refers to two related problems, both counting possibilities to select k distinct elements from a set of n elements, where for k-permutations the order of selection is taken into account, but for k-combinations it is ignored.

k can be less than n.

If egf's solve permutation problems and they solve this one is it not likely that this is a permutation problem?

If you need to see how to solve them please ask the question in Help Me. I will show you.

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**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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If you can use detergents to clean dishes and to clean your hands, are the two the same thing?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
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Hmmm... I use Boraxo, 20 mule team of course. Truthfully, I have never heard that term and do not consider it correct. You know how I feel about jargon. If you need authoritative evidence in addition to the two links provided just let me say that I am considered to be the best combinatoricist on my block. True it is a small block just 4 buildings but still...

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**dodgyg1****Member**- Registered: 2012-09-27
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Hi guys,

I am new here.Really impressed with the combinations and permutations calculator. Would it be possible for someone to add a rule where if the elements are integers then results are only shown if the sum of the combinations/permutations add up to a given number.

Thanks bin anticipation.

Best regards,

dodgyg1

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
- Registered: 2009-04-12
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Hi dodgyg1;

That is a certain type of partition. There are ways to calculate them.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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