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Okay, I will do that. Katie just replied which is good.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

That is good let me know what happened.

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She didn't answer my question about her grandma but she did tell me what she is doing in maths, and she asked me the same. Of course, I don't do maths this year so didn't really have much to say.

I was just thinking about how different R (Rhona) and PJ (Philippa) are. Both of them come from pretty wealthy backgrounds, have never had to deal with financial issues, will likely have great futures. But they are totally different characters. With R, I've always felt comfortable around her because she is such a warm person, speaks informally, and she doesn't show off the fact that she might be quite well-off. PJ on the other hand often does seem to tell people how well-off she is, and I feel less comfortable around her because she is a bit elitist. PJ is getting a lot of support from her parents while she is at uni so she will not have to fend for herself -- but R told me that she doesn't want to receive the support and that she'll work her way up on her own, getting her own job. One seems to like elitism, one absolutely hates it. Maybe I am a little biased, but I feel like R was the sort of person I grew up with (first met her 6 years ago). Doesn't care about the background I came from and seems selfless. And she loves maths but doesn't feel the need to study all these maths modules and is doing a degree in English and Spanish instead! When I went to that Saturday school, I think every other kid there went to a posh/private school. I could talk to them but I felt like it was a lot harder to make a connection with them because we were from such different backgrounds.

Do you think I am justified in what I am saying, or am I being too harsh on PJ?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not know her personally but PJ does seem like that. Maybe she has a good reason for her attitude.

R does sound ideal.

Is everybody in your class better off than you are? If so, that could be the reason for their behavior.

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She does. Maybe I could ask her on a date when she returns. Physically R is a bit on the large side but I feel like that doesn't matter.

I think most are better off than I am. At my school though (not the Saturday classes) I am average, because the general area is not that great. (The dirty part of London so to speak.)

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You can ask at anytime but only if you are sure of the answer.

See you later.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I am never sure of the answer. I have to be prepared for #10 (the likely outcome).

Okay, see you later.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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If you think she may be valuable as a friend then if she disappears it will hurt double.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

But if I am detached then I will not care so it will not hurt.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, she might be useful to have as a contact because we are both applying for maths.

Even if you are detached and feel no pain you do not cut off your arm.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I know plenty of other people applying for maths.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then you can ask if you like.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Ask who, what...?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Maybe I could ask her on a date when she returns.

R, if she would like to go out.

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Sorry, I thought you were talking about Katie. Yes, I do want to ask out R at some stage, but I am worried about what to do if she says yes.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then you go out with her. We already talked about where to go.

Sometimes it is better to do it sort of impromptu. If you are talking to her you can just say, I am going here for this, want to come? We can talk on the way.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Hmm, I guess. Then that would detract from the power of the question on it's own, making a decision easier.

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Also, I just saw the solution of deducing the sum of the reciprocals of the squares (π²/6) from the Fourier series of x/2. Could this be applied to find the sums of other series, such as the sum of the reciprocals of the cubes, for instance?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is one of the things that Fourier series do, they sum series.

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It appears that I can't find a way to use them for the reciprocals of the cubes. I got a result for the reciprocals or (2n + 1)^4 but I was out by a factor of one sixth.

Also, I have not heard from Katie in 24 hours but that's normal I guess.

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That is the thing about FS. You can use them to sum a series but you never seem to know which one. I never could steer them into doing the one I wanted.

24 hours is not a long time.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I know. Maybe she does not check her e-mail often. Another girl I e-mailed from that class has not replied in about 48 hours.

I am finding it difficult to steer them too. You can see that they are extremely useful but hard to pinpoint the series you want. The sum of the reciprocals of n^4 is a good example.

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Yes, up pops an answer but it seems to be not very useful for a particular series.

I do not check my emails for days.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Normally young people check their e-mails more often. We get sent feedback from our universities (whether we got an offer or a rejection) via e-mail. Some people at my school check it almost every hour.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That makes sense. Maybe she is ill, or maybe she already got her replies fronm universities or maybe...

Too many possibilities.

I would give it a couple of more days before drawing conclusions.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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