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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have used that particular move many times. It almost always means submission to you, especially when the head and eyes look down afterwards.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I highly doubt F wanted to be submissive to me. She is shorter than me though so I got the opportunity to physically look down at her.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, she was only glancing at you because she was wondering about something. She did not do the whole routine. Usually, if she had it would mean interest.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

After I asked her out I don't think she even looked at me again. I remember when it was just me, F and a teacher staying behind to talk about our exam results. Whenever I spoke, F would look in my general direction and smile awkwardly. I remember this same thing happening before one of our maths exams. In the waiting room outside the exam hall, whenever I spoke, she would not look directly at me, and do the awkward smile thing. Very strange.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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She seems very shy. Maybe you scared her.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I suggested that in an earlier post a long time ago... but we decided that this was probably false, given that shy people usually don't have a problem e-mailing you.

**zetafunc.****Guest**

According to my saved e-mails, I have sent F twice as many e-mails as she has sent me (16 to 8). I'd say that is more rudeness than timidity.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Depends on how shy they are. Extreme shyness is just as bad as dislike. You can not get around it.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

So if I ever have to deal with a girl who is extremely shy she is not worth going after?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I would say so. Like a girl that is interested in a very shy guy. One who can not make the first move. It is almost always doomed.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

But how do I tell if a girl is extremely shy? I do not think F is extremely shy.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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When someone looks down at their feet and fidgets nervously, avoids eye contact it is usually a sign of shyness or submission. You have to decide which one.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I don't think I ever saw F fidget.

Can I ask if you ever encountered a girl that behaved similar to how F did?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I got turned down many times. So has everyone else. I solved that problem by letting them ask me. I did not date now nearly as much but the girls were a better class of woman.

F's behaviour of crossing the street to avoid you is extremely strange just because you asked her out.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

That does sound like a better solution, waiting for them to come to you. But I think the reason F's rejection hurt more than anyone else was because it really did not go well. I spent time posting on here about how I'd ask her out, got the courage to walk up to her friends and to speak to her alone. Asked her if she wanted to go out with me, and she smiles, does not respond, and walks away. And does not speak to me again. I think I would have moved on much more quickly if she had just said 'no', like C did.

I thought it was extremely strange too. It made me feel like I had done something wrong.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Maybe you had. One time a girl I was attracted to turned me down. I gave up on her. Later on she told me that I gave up to easily.

Women are strange are they not?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I agree, they seem very strange. I wish we did not have to play a game to get them.

I have not yet got the "you gave up too easily" line. Is that common to hear?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I only heard it twice but I am sure it happened more than that. Like you, I did not know where the good oppurtunities were. I picked and pursued the wrong ones, falling in love with girls who did not care. Some were smart enough to use me. I pursued the bad and quit early on the good.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

But I don't understand why they would say that. It sounds like a cry for attention. Why wouldn't they just ask you out themselves? Personally, any girl that tries to use the "treat them mean, keep them keen" thing on me intentionally is not going to get a second look from me. It is sadistic.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Some girls like for you to pursue them very hard. Others do not.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

It seems that the complexity of this dating game knows no bounds.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You are dealing with people. They are simple but complex at the same time. Relationships are even more complicated.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

At the moment it seems like a language I cannot understand.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Ditto! You will work on it for the rest of your life.

Caine wrote:

Master, will all this take me a very long time to learn?

master wrote:

Only a lifetime, perhaps a little longer.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Hmm, perhaps I will have my own Eureka! moment when it comes to dating.