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You are not logged in. #601 20120411 03:47:22
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!No. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #602 20120411 03:48:26
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!You have any new ideas on that integral? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #603 20120411 03:58:06
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!No. I asked my prof if he could do it,and guess what he suggested...trig sub and then IBP. So he wasn't helpful,though I did find more ways to write that same integral. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #604 20120411 04:03:34
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!IBP will not get there, your professor is unaware of the complexity of the answer. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #605 20120411 04:07:36
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!I am aware that he is not aware,but I shall not reveal that to him. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #606 20120411 04:10:31
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Possibly, but there are 2 others. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #607 20120411 04:12:57
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Yes,we learned about that second reason in Psych class. The process is called hybernation. It has 3 explanations which I will not state here. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #608 20120411 04:18:32
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!By the way, I was being funny up there. You have already seen an example of sequence acceleration. That is what the RRA is. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #609 20120411 04:22:59
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Oh,okay. So that's what you meant by that was fun. I thought it might be it,but with you I can never know. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #610 20120411 05:45:01
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Want to see another one? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #611 20120411 05:47:00
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Sure! Why not? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #612 20120411 05:56:04
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!We are asked to get that sum to 10 correct digits. How many terms would we have to sum? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #613 20120411 06:03:29
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!I'm on my laptop. Let me type the whole procedure here: The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #614 20120411 06:14:19
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Forget Big O. We are examining how to get the answers without all that. True we are using toy examples just to learn. Later on there will be examples that you will be able to do that Big O will not be able to touch. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #615 20120411 06:17:33
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Well I thought we could get the first approximation using Big Oh and then use RRA to see how much less we can go. Last edited by anonimnystefy (20120411 06:17:47) The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #616 20120411 06:20:17
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Maybe we could. But we are making believe that we are stuck with just a computer to evaluate the sum the hard way. Of course we still want to do the least amount of work possible, there sequence acceleration! In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #617 20120411 06:22:46
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Hi bobbym The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #618 20120411 06:24:57
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!No, to use a PSLQ we need a value first for the sum. This must be done by numerical means to a high accuracy. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #619 20120411 06:45:14
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Like what? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #620 20120411 06:46:47
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!The sum we are working is a alternating series. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #621 20120411 06:50:25
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!So? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #622 20120411 06:54:32
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!So we need 10 digits to put it into a PSLQ. How many terms must I sum to get those 10 digits? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #623 20120411 09:11:41
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!I don't know. You said not to use Big Oh! The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #624 20120411 09:13:18
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!You do not need Big O, remember the Leibniz rule for alternating series. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #625 20120411 09:19:42
Re: Oh,Oh,Oh,merry analysis!!!Oh yes! Give me some time to calculate that. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment 