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#76 2012-01-22 06:36:26

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Now we just switch them around.

We are done!


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#77 2012-01-22 06:47:32

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Ohhh I got it now. Going to do more practice on these! Thank you smile

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#78 2012-01-22 06:49:51

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Hi BlitzBall;

Your welcome! See you then.

I am going to get something to eat.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#79 2012-01-23 07:04:13

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Sorry to ask you again sad But I have a small problem. It's a little off topic, but how would you answer this question...

The function f : A to B is given by f(x) = 1+ 2/x, where A denotes the set of
real numbers excluding 0 and B denotes the set of real numbers excluding 1.
Show that f is bijective and determine the inverse function.

I don't understand this question. Can anyone explain it to me?

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#80 2012-01-23 07:07:33

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

To show that it is bijective you must prove that it is injective and surjective.

The inverse you already know how to do because we did a lot of them together. Do you need more review here?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#81 2012-01-23 07:25:29

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Hmmm you are right. I looked at the answer, an it says 'If f(x) = y, then 1+2/x = y and so x= 2/(y-1)'.   I was wondering, where has the 2/(y-1) come from :S How did it get there??

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#82 2012-01-23 07:26:24

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Did you try to solve for x as we have been doing?

That is how it got there. A little tricky! Want to go over it?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#83 2012-01-23 07:40:30

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Yes.. but it looks different sad

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#84 2012-01-23 07:43:25

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Did you see what I did in the post before yours?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#85 2012-01-23 07:51:54

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

I didn't get what happens after y-1 = 2/x. Can you explain how you got x(y-1)=2 ??

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#86 2012-01-23 07:56:06

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

What you do to go from line 2 to line 3 is to multiply both sides by x.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#87 2012-01-23 07:58:58

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Oh right! However, Why are you multiplying x, but not 2 ??

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#88 2012-01-23 08:02:51

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Because the x is on the bottom which means it is dividing into 2. To get it over to the other side we multiply by x.

The x's will cancel out on the right.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#89 2012-01-23 08:06:40

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Ohhhhh! Silly me. From line 3 to 4, I got (y-1)/2, but your's the opposite round.dunno

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#90 2012-01-23 08:07:27

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Did you see what I did in post #88?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#91 2012-01-23 08:15:08

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Ohh. You replaced the x that was above 2/ , and input (y-1) instead ?? That the right way of doing it??

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#92 2012-01-23 08:18:19

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Watch what I am doing.

We multiply both sides by x.

The x's will cancel out on the right.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#93 2012-01-23 08:29:15

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Okay. In 2/x, the x is just replaced by the (y-1) ??

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#94 2012-01-23 08:32:27

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Hi;

Think of it this way. We had this and I multiplied both sides by x

to get this.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#95 2012-01-23 08:41:11

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Yes I get that. /you multiply both sides.

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#96 2012-01-23 08:46:13

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

The left side stays the same but on the right we see an x on the bottom and an x on top. These can cancel ( be crossed out ) to make a 1.

See how the two x's are crossed out?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#97 2012-01-23 08:54:13

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Yep. big_smile

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#98 2012-01-23 08:55:45

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

What you are left with is this

The one comes from the cancelling of the x's.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#99 2012-01-23 09:00:21

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Ah ok. I was wondering does x count as 1 ?

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#100 2012-01-23 09:02:00

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Re: Algebra help! Inverse and composition functions

Nope, x is a variable. It stands for a number but we do not know what that number is.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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