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Experimental mathematicsI have created a new thread for discussion of Computer Algebra and the PSLQ No analytical methods can be used. Only the techniques of experimental math are allowed. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #2 20110318 20:45:13
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #3 20110318 23:46:58
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; Look at the first row of both answers, you see the top vector. Both answers have the same one. That is the answer! On mine I have it programmed to return the negative of the vector so we negate the top row to [24 , 0 , 0 , 120 , 0 , 140 , 0 , 15 , 0] If you look at how the vector of constants is arranged in the pslq command then the answer is Cleaning up and substituting we get: It looks like we did the integral by some analytical method does it not? All done by integer relations. Of course the above is not a strict mathematical proof. But it is a strong conjecture because typically these are done to hundreds or thousands of places. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #4 20110319 00:19:08
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #5 20110319 00:26:00
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #6 20110319 00:39:28
Re: Experimental mathematicsThanks! "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #7 20110319 00:55:55
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym, Last edited by gAr (20110319 00:56:19) "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #8 20110319 01:09:09
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #9 20110319 01:19:05
Re: Experimental mathematicsOh, ok. "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #10 20110319 01:30:57
Re: Experimental mathematicsDid you use my 50 digit number and set your environment variable to around 50. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #11 20110319 02:13:53
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #12 20110319 02:16:40
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #13 20110319 02:35:14
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #14 20110319 15:05:51
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym,
The vector I get is [24, 0, 0, 120, 0, 140, 0, 15, 0] Last edited by gAr (20110319 15:10:09) "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #15 20110319 15:08:01
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #16 20110319 15:13:32
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym,
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #17 20110319 15:15:22
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #18 20110319 15:19:29
Re: Experimental mathematicsThis one: I got only the first row, what are the rest? "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #19 20110319 15:36:07
Re: Experimental mathematicsOh, they are in some cases other answers, but usually just debris left over from the algorithm. I could have the program remove them and get one row vector but I like to see them. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #20 20110319 15:42:34
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym, Last edited by gAr (20110319 15:46:30) "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #21 20110319 15:48:56
Re: Experimental mathematicsI am sorry, please use this link instead: In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #22 20110319 16:06:50
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi bobbym, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #23 20110319 16:10:00
Re: Experimental mathematicsKeep tweaking and look for an answer like this: In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #24 20110319 16:21:22
Re: Experimental mathematicsI don't get that, is there anything I can do to force it to use all digits provided? "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  Buddha? "Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay." #25 20110319 16:24:09
Re: Experimental mathematicsHi gAr; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. 