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#251 2015-12-27 05:45:19

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Re: Purpose of life????

Agnishom wrote:

I always wanted to be a theoretical physicist when I was a child.

Me too!


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#252 2015-12-27 05:52:57

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Re: Purpose of life????

Did anyone in here ever dream about being a mathematician?


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#253 2015-12-27 05:57:47

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I wanted to be a philosopher............

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#254 2015-12-27 06:02:07

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bobbym wrote:

Did anyone in here ever dream about being a mathematician?

Yes. Although, thanks to the "careers advice" I was given at my school, I had been convinced that they either did not exist or were not worth becoming.

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#255 2015-12-27 06:43:28

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Although I can not really argue with their conclusions the one big problem with school is that it does give a student lots of wrong ideas.


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#256 2015-12-27 07:01:48

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How did you find school?

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#257 2015-12-27 11:53:09

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Re: Purpose of life????

Hi;

I liked many of my teachers but school reminded me of a jail sentence.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#258 2015-12-27 13:34:48

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Re: Purpose of life????

bobbym wrote:

Did anyone in here ever dream about being a mathematician?

Me, but you don't like mathermaticians.

Here is my first model for the problem.

Assume the reaction proceeds in discrete time steps, during each of which a random molecule in the system attacks another molecule at random. Furthermore, let us assume every attack happens in the right orientation and with sufficient energy.


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#259 2015-12-27 13:43:10

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We need some condition that will slow down or stop the reaction and the probability this will happen. Else, the reaction will continue forever which we know does not happen.


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#260 2015-12-27 13:47:57

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I thought we already included that in the model.

Agnishom's Spherical Cow Model for the Radical Polymerization problem

To begin with there are n1 phenyl free radicals (a free radical with chain length 0) in the system and n2 ethene molecules.

The reaction occurs in discrete time steps, during each of which a random molecule attacks another random molecule and the result of the attack is given by the following rules:

a) Ethene attacks ethene: Nothing happens. The reaction proceeds to the next step.

b) A free radical attacks an ethene: The ethene is removed from the system. The chain length of the free radical increases by 1. The reaction proceeds to the next step.

c) A free radical of length m attacks a free radical of length n: Both radicals are removed. A new kind of molecule, called the "polymer" is formed. The polymer is of chain length m + n. The reaction proceeds to the next step.

d) A polymer attacks another polymer: Nothing happens. The reaction proceeds to the next step.

The reaction continues until the molecules in the systems undergoes no further changes, i.e, the number of free radicals in the system is 0.

Last edited by Agnishom (2015-12-27 14:06:14)


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#261 2015-12-27 14:27:16

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Is that a discrete process?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#262 2015-12-27 15:48:37

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The spherical cow model or reality?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#263 2015-12-27 16:24:44

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This polymerization process you are trying to model.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#264 2015-12-27 16:32:25

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God modelled the universe like the card game Mao. There are strange rules which he refuses to disclose.

In reality, the process might be continuous. Or they might not be because space-time could be fundamentally quantized. But who knows how reality works?

The spherical cow model of the polymerization problem is discrete, though. Do you think this model is a bad place to start?

Last edited by Agnishom (2015-12-27 16:32:47)


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#265 2015-12-27 17:07:58

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Do you think this model is a bad place to start?

I do not see any probabilities provided for a,b,c, or d. To form a Markov chain we will need them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#266 2015-12-27 17:56:32

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I am sorry, what are a, b, c, d?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#267 2015-12-27 17:57:39

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Post #260 has them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#268 2015-12-27 18:00:51

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The spherical cow model picks two species from the system at each step uniformly at random.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#269 2015-12-27 18:01:41

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With equal probability?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#270 2015-12-27 18:04:04

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Yes. But that does not mean a, b, c and d happen with equal probability.

The next does not understand.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#271 2015-12-27 18:04:34

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You are right.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#272 2015-12-27 18:07:31

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Am I right about the probabilities or your understanding?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#273 2015-12-27 18:10:38

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But that does not mean a, b, c and d happen with equal probability.

Both, what are the probabilities of a,b,c and d?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#274 2015-12-27 18:26:44

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It depends.

Let's say there are 2 free radicals and 10 ethene molecules in the system in step i. Any two of those things react at random.

What is the probability that during this step, a will happen? (10/12)*(9/11)
What is the probability that during this step, b will happen? (2/12)*(10/11)
What is the probability that during this step, c will happen? (2/12)*(1/11)
What is the probability that during this step, d will happen? 0

In the step i+1, the probabilities will change again.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#275 2015-12-27 18:28:43

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Why do the probabilities change?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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