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#226 2015-12-26 05:42:42

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Re: Purpose of life????

You mean ethylene?


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#227 2015-12-26 05:45:03

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Re: Purpose of life????

Yes. The IUPAC calls it ethene though


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#228 2015-12-26 05:49:05

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Re: Purpose of life????

So we have a chemical reaction between the two?


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#229 2015-12-26 05:55:18

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Re: Purpose of life????

Yes, but the ethene is more important.

Do you know what ethene looks like?


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#230 2015-12-26 05:56:53

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Re: Purpose of life????

C2H4

150px-Ethylene-CRC-MW-3D-balls.png


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#231 2015-12-26 06:01:53

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Re: Purpose of life????

Yep.

When a phenyl free radical attacks an ethene molecule, one of the two bonds cleave, and a new free radical is formed.

See the second reaction here.

pPalerJ.png

What do you think happens when this free radical bumps into yet another ethene?

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#232 2015-12-26 06:06:28

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Re: Purpose of life????

Okay, I see that.


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#233 2015-12-26 06:11:07

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What do you think happens when the new free radical bumps into yet another ethene?


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#234 2015-12-26 06:16:19

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Re: Purpose of life????

Another CH2 group is added on.


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#235 2015-12-26 06:21:48

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Actually two, but you get the idea.

hohGPid.png

Do you know how this nightmare could end?


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#236 2015-12-26 06:27:59

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Re: Purpose of life????

For one thing you run out of space to post it.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#237 2015-12-26 06:34:16

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That's a good one.

This chain could bump into another free radical, possibly another chain or just a phenyl radical and form a covalent bond with no unpaired electrons.

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'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#238 2015-12-26 06:40:11

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Re: Purpose of life????

Polyethylene is a plastic.

Okay, I got some of that.


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#239 2015-12-26 06:42:59

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Re: Purpose of life????

I need to take care of my brain by giving it some sleep. I'll tell you the problem tomorrow.


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#240 2015-12-26 06:45:55

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Re: Purpose of life????

Okay, see you tomorrow.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#241 2015-12-26 06:55:43

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Re: Purpose of life????

I want to calculate the expected length of the chain formed.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#242 2015-12-26 07:13:50

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Re: Purpose of life????

You will need the probabilities.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#243 2015-12-26 13:20:28

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Re: Purpose of life????

Of course. How do you think I should get them?


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#244 2015-12-26 16:18:10

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Re: Purpose of life????

Is there someplace online?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#245 2015-12-26 19:09:28

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Re: Purpose of life????

I cannot find any. I hope there isn't.

Let's take the spherical cow approach like a physicist.


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#246 2015-12-26 19:56:25

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Re: Purpose of life????

The spherical cow?


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#247 2015-12-26 20:05:33

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Wikipedia wrote:

Milk production at a dairy farm was low, so the farmer wrote to the local university, asking for help from academia. A multidisciplinary team of professors was assembled, headed by a theoretical physicist, and two weeks of intensive on-site investigation took place. The scholars then returned to the university, notebooks crammed with data, where the task of writing the report was left to the team leader. Shortly thereafter the physicist returned to the farm, saying to the farmer, "I have the solution, but it only works in the case of spherical cows in a vacuum".


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#248 2015-12-26 20:17:10

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Re: Purpose of life????

That sounds like the way they work. So why suggest that we work like a big bunch of kabooblers?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#249 2015-12-27 00:15:33

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Re: Purpose of life????

I always wanted to be a theoretical physicist when I was a child.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#250 2015-12-27 05:14:07

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Hmmm, but now you are almost fully grown.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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