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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I used the one on top of the page here at the forum. For some Firefox settings it does not print correctly.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

The code Π (with a semicolon immediately after it - I can't include it or the code disappears from my post) prints the symbol about one third larger than MIF's...but it's still the same unclear shape.

This code: Π

MIF's: π

Maybe MIF's can be enlarged to distinguish it from the letter 'n'...but I don't know how to do that.

Letter n: n

MIF's pi: π

I use Google Chrome, on which the two are very similar.

*Last edited by phrontister (2011-11-25 23:34:24)*

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

I guess there'd be several ways other than mine to solve that problem: the popular way, your way and gAr's way.

Would you like to post yours? If it's not too advanced, that is. Remember, I can't even spell jeometree.

PS...That "m" in "jeometree" nearly looks like an "r" followed by pi:

m vs. rπ

*Last edited by phrontister (2011-11-26 00:48:58)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

My solution comes from using experimental methods. I used geogebra for this and all other geometry problems. I have even been experimenting with it to do programming tasks. It is an awesome tool. I will post the whole solution in the Computer math section. Just give me a little time.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**New Problem**

**The argument between A and B has intensified. They are now at the point where they want to fight a duel. Both being mathematicians of sorts they argue for a long time on the rules. A is a poor shooter. He hits his target 35% of the time. B is more accurate, he hits his target 54% of the time. They agree to these rules.**

**A shoots first 1 time. If B is still alive then B shoots 1 time. Then A shoots 2 times. Next B shoots 3 times, followed by A shooting 5 times. The number of times each shoots is the next Fibonacci number. What are the chances for both duelists?**

**A says) Of course I am the favorite to kill that B guy.**

**B says) Not in the long run!**

**C says) I want B dead too, if A does not get him, I will.**

**D says)Too bad this is not a 5 way duel!**

**E says) I agree! Just one thing though how are you each going to carry an infinite number of bullets?**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gar;

That is correct. Very good answer, I agree I do not know if those numbers are expressible in known constants.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

Okay, thanks!

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

The person who posed that got a different answer than we did.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

What did that person get?

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I do not remember but it was not right. He got that B has a higher percentage which is clearly wrong.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay.

Yes, B would definitely have a lower percentage.

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

How is your schoolwork coming?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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It's mostly rote, dull!

I'm stuck in this system.

How's the problem which you were trying?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Bad, it seems very lucky that I got the right answer. I can not generalize it.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay.

I'll take some rest.

See you later.

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**20 random numbers are drawn from a normal distribution with mean 4 and standard deviation 2. They are labelled a1 to a20. A random number called b is drawn from a normal distribution with mean 3 and standard deviation 3.**

**What is the chance that b is greater than 10 of the a's?**

**A says) 1 / 21B says) About .0307188C says) .03125D says) 1/2E says) It is a complicated expression but one of those answers is right.**

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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