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#76 2015-04-04 12:15:19

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Re: Religion with science

Does everything have to have a creator?


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#77 2015-04-04 13:27:31

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Re: Religion with science

chris2 wrote:

I do not believe in evolution. I do not understand how something this complex came into existence, where did our DNA came from?

If you are saying that the DNA is so complex that it can't just have happened by accident, you are probably right. But wait, it took billions of years for the accident to happen. It is said that given long enough time, even monkeys can type out the whole Shakespeare Chronicles.

A closer look at genetic algorithms will show that forming DNAs are simpler because just once if simple pre-DNA things are formed, they will want to go to the next step themselves.

Evolution theory is a complicated way of saying, 'Stable things will try to produce more stable things'


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#78 2015-04-04 13:29:23

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Re: Religion with science

Chris2 wrote:

But if God created us, who created God?

God does not need to be created because God's existence is not a contingent truth.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#79 2015-04-04 17:34:34

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Re: Religion with science

Hi;

It is said that given long enough time, even monkeys can type out the whole Shakespeare Chronicles.

It is strange but that is the most convincing argument against Darwin's theory.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#80 2015-04-05 02:31:21

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Re: Religion with science

I do not get it. What does it mean to undeline theory?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#81 2015-04-05 02:34:13

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Re: Religion with science

Because evolution is just a theory. Personally, to me, I will tell everyone from both sides that they are neither correct nor wrong. Time will tell.


Meaningless, meaningless, Everything is meaningless! - Ecclesiastes 1:2

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#82 2015-04-05 02:44:23

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Re: Religion with science

Chris2 wrote:

Because evolution is just a theory.

Yes, it is. But what are things which aren't just a theory?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#83 2015-04-05 02:58:45

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Re: Religion with science

Can't think of any.


Meaningless, meaningless, Everything is meaningless! - Ecclesiastes 1:2

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#84 2015-04-05 03:03:53

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Re: Religion with science

That's okay.

We use a principle called Occam's Razor to select a theory when many are available. The principle states that among competing hypotheses that predict equally well, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#85 2015-04-05 05:33:56

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Re: Religion with science

Is that not an assumption?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#86 2015-04-05 10:24:57

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Re: Religion with science

And isn't an assumption make it a theory already?


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#87 2015-04-05 11:20:32

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Re: Religion with science

when many are available.

Does that not suggest that we do not know?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#88 2015-04-05 11:51:47

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Re: Religion with science

It is an assumption, but it seems to be simpler to comprehend than some other assumption.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#89 2015-04-05 11:56:41

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Re: Religion with science

We can also assume three legged mice on Venus but of what value is that? -bobbym


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#90 2015-04-05 12:05:40

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Re: Religion with science

I think it is 8 legged mice.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#91 2015-04-05 12:12:25

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Re: Religion with science

What?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#92 2015-04-05 15:00:13

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Re: Religion with science

Your Venusian mouse is missing some legs.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#93 2015-04-05 19:04:17

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Re: Religion with science

8 legged mice are called spiders


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#94 2015-04-05 19:16:52

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Re: Religion with science

but it seems to be simpler to comprehend than some other assumption

It also seems a bit outdated.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#95 2015-04-05 19:31:41

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Re: Religion with science

What? Evolution?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#96 2015-04-05 19:37:51

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Re: Religion with science

Yes

250px-491px-Charles_Darwin_1881.jpg

he admitted he knew nothing about math. He had no computer, he sailed to Galapagos in a wooden ship with sails for power. Seems like that old fellow needs some updating...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#97 2015-04-05 19:41:59

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Re: Religion with science

I think his ideas have been updated


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#98 2015-04-05 19:43:48

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Re: Religion with science

Why even bother? Since we know nothing about life on other planets and we are still discovering new species here how can we call the theory valid?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#99 2015-04-05 19:46:46

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Re: Religion with science

We do not have anything that is a completely valid theory in science.

Whether you want to bother or not is a choice


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#100 2015-04-05 19:49:47

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Re: Religion with science

But is it even partially valid?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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