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#1526 Re: This is Cool » Maclaurin Polynomials » 2005-12-16 18:27:25

Here it is:

The author of my mathbook, like many great mathematiciains he was a genius, and he's dead. :-/

Well actually Saxon wasn't a 100% mathematician, I think he was an engineer and computer scientist, and a very good teacher. He wrote mathbooks for grades 1 though 12, including algebra 1, 2, trig and calculus. He also wrote books on other subjects like phonics. (yuck!) Saxon's philosophy was that math is not difficult, math is differant, and that people often call things that are unfamiliar to them, difficult, and things that are familiar easy. Time and practice is required for things that are differant to become things that are familiar and thus, easy. This philosophy is the basis for saxons teaching. Where some mathbooks would try to teach all the aspects of a topic in one lesson, saxon presents each topic little by little. Begining with the simplelest problems of that type and saving the more advanced problems for a later lesson. Each short lesson has 30 practice problems to do before moving on. This ensures you become familiar with each concept making comprehension of the more advanced problems easy since you have a solid foundation on the previous topics. "An Incremental Development" is written under the title of each saxon book. I taught myself algebra 1, 2 trigonometry with these books and am now working on calculus. Very good books, I highly reccomend them to anyone.

#1527 Re: This is Cool » Maclaurin Polynomials » 2005-12-16 18:18:09

w00t!

But I was mostly thinking out loud. It really needs to be theroughly tested and perfected first.


Oh, and John E. Franklin, the book is called Calculus - with Trigonometry and Analytical Geometry by  John H. Saxon Jr and Frank Y.H. Wang. Its supposedly an "elementary calculus book" >:-(    so I don't know how much you'll get out of it if you've been through college. Its for AP math students who've completed trig before 12th grade. But I don't think its what you might call Calculus 1/2. I guess just level one calculus. Not calculus 2 or advanced calculus or Calculus For Higher Life Forms. (which I WILL write someday! :-D)


Anyways, go to www.saxonpublishers.com and have a look around. The book I ordered is listed on their site as Saxon Calculus 2nd Edition: Student Edition. Its a revised version of the first book with an additional 30 lessons, (for a grizzly 158 lessons yikes ) I've taught myself algebra 1, 2 and Trig, and I'm now nearly halfway through calculus. I think that speaks for itself. Hang on a second I'll dig up my review for the saxon books.

#1528 Re: This is Cool » Maclaurin Polynomials » 2005-12-16 10:49:43

Thanks for that. No comment on the topic itself though? :-(

#1529 Re: This is Cool » Maclaurin Polynomials » 2005-12-16 08:05:26

Hmm... well I found in my book a question asking for the maclaurin polynomial of ln(1 + x) and I checked the answer. Its the same only the exponant of (-1) is n + 1 instead of n, because its positive on odd numbered terms and negative on even numbered terms. Not sure where I messed this up but I did.

Still the polynomial seems kind of strange:

(insert big sideways M here)  (-1)^(n+1) ((x-1)^n)    / n

Note I replaced (x) with (x -1)

I suppose it straightens out if you use enough terms.

#1530 Re: This is Cool » Maclaurin Polynomials » 2005-12-16 07:30:11

Hmm... just thinking about ln x

If we were to write ln (x + 1) we could do it. 

f(x) = ln (x + 1)          f(0)  = 0

f'(x) = 1/(x + 1)          f'(0) = 1

f''(x) = -1  / (x + 1)^2  f''(0) = -1

f''(x) = 2 / (x + 1)^3   f'''(0) =   2

f'''(x) = -6 / (x + 1) 4  f''''(0) -6

Ok I think thats enough to see the pattern is 0!, -1!, +2!, -3!

Now lets write the maclaurin polynomial:

0x^0/0! + (0!x^1)/1! - (1!x^2)/2! + (2! x^3)/3!

we can eliminate the first term since its zero. We notice that in each term, the factorial above is one less then the factorial below, this is fortunate. Because we can always rewrite  (n-1)!/n! as 1/n.

So we have -x^1/1 + (x^2)/2 - (x^3)/3 + (x^4)/4

This can be writtin in summation as:

(insert big sideways M here)  (-1)^n (x^n)  / n          from n = 1 to infinity



Sadly, this only gives us a formula for ln (x + 1)

But I suppose we could simply insert (x - 1) in our expression for x to get:

(insert big sideways M here)  (-1)^n ((x-1)^n)  / n          from n = 1 to infinity

Hmmm... I checked this series and it doesn't sem to be working. Either I messed up somewhere or maybe the maclaurin polynomail of ln x cannot be found the traditional way.

I'll try it again on paper.

#1531 This is Cool » Maclaurin Polynomials » 2005-12-16 07:07:40

mikau
Replies: 13

Has anyone else learned about Maclaurin polynomials? I was suprised to read about it, becuase it allows you to fnd the formula's for sine, cosine, e^x and many other calculator functions. A while back I was asking around for the formula's for sine, cosine and tangent, and hardly anyone knew. Thats why I'm curious if many other calculus books study these.

The maclaurin polynomial of f(x)

f(0)/0! + f'(0)(x^1)/1! +  f''(0)( x^2 ) /2! + f'''(0)( x^3 )/3! ...

note you begin by multiplying the first term by f(0), you take the first derivative, evaluate it at zero, and multiply that by the second term, you take the third derivative, evaluate it at zero, and multiply it by the third term, and so on.

Supposedly, this creates a sort of replica of the function, but in the form of the polynomial. If the polynomial does not terminate, the accuracy of the function depends on how many terms you choose to use.

If you have a polynomial like 3x^2 + 2x + 6

f(x) = 3x^2 + 2x +6   so   f(0) = 6

f'(x) = 6x + 2             so   f'(0) = 2

f''(x) = 6                    so  f''(0) = 6

The third derivative and anything beyond that will be 0 so we can stop here.

Now lets evaluate the maclaurin polynomial for the function:

f(0)/0! + f'(0)(x^1)/1! +  f''(0)( x^2 ) /2! + f'''(0)( x^3 )/3! ...

= 6/0! + 2x/1! + (6x^2)/2!

= 6 + 2x + 3x^2

We found the maclaurin polynomail of 3x^2 +2x +6 and got 3x^2 + 2x + 6! From this we see that the maclaurin polynomail of a polynomial, is the polynomial itself!

Now take e^x

f (x) = e^x      f(0) = 1

f'(x) = e^x      f''(0) = 1

f''(x) = e^x    f''(0) = 1

Obviously the first second third and nth derivative of e^x will always be e^x, evaluated at zero, they are one, so if write the maclaurin polynomail:


f(0)/0! + f'(0)(x^1)/1! +  f''(0)( x^2 ) /2! + f'''(0)( x^3 )/3! ...

We have:

x^0/0! + x^1 + (x^2)/2! + (x^3)/3! + (x^4)/4! ....

and so on! Note the first term could have just been written as 1, I just wrote it that way to show the pattern is consistant.

So now we have a polynomial formula for e^x! :-D

You can also use this to find the formula's for sine and cosine, and other trigonometric functions.

I'm not sure how to find the formula for a function such as y = ln x because ln 0 does not exist. But maybe I'll learn more later.

The problems in my book often give me a functon and ask me to find the maclaurin polynomial and write the answer in summation notation. Writing them in summation notation can be a tricky buisiness at times, becuase the signes alternate, some terms disappear when their coefficiants are zero, and sometimes the factorials cancel eachother out. Its tricky but they're kind of fun.

#1533 Re: Help Me ! » logarithims, remind me again? » 2005-12-14 07:01:07

But I'm not sure I see the mistake I made which you pointed out.

  e^x = e^-x + 14

Oh... your saying I have to take the ln of both sides, not the ln of each term. Just like squaring or taking the square root of both sides.

e^x = ln (e^-x + 14)

Now I remember. Thanks for that, man!

#1534 Re: Help Me ! » logarithims, remind me again? » 2005-12-14 06:54:59

Aww.. dang you got here before me. I solved it this morning over a cup of coffee. (relaxation defined) Yeah the key is to multiply the equation by e^x and write it in the form of a quadratic, au^2 + bu + c where u = e^x. The solution to the quadratic will be 7 +- sqrt(50), it can't be 7 - sqrt (50) because that would be a negative number and e^x can never be negative. Thus 7 + sqrt(50) is the only solution.

Oh and yes it is the solution. I was checking it incorrectly.

What still bugs me is attempting to solve it with logarithms did not work. Disturbing.

#1535 Re: Help Me ! » logarithims, remind me again? » 2005-12-13 18:41:24

Not only that, but evaluation of that answer does not seem to produce 7. Perfect! X_X

#1536 Re: Help Me ! » logarithims, remind me again? » 2005-12-13 13:14:42

Heres the first problem:

gold is being mined at a rate of R(t) = 7/t ounces per hour. How much gold is removed between the third hour and the six hour of operation?

The gold removed equals rate of removal multiplied by the time spent working. Therefore, its the area under the curve of 7/t at the intervals 3 and 6.

So lets integrate. 7/t : 7 ln t

Area =     7 ln 6 - 7 ln 3

= 7 (ln 6 - ln 3)

Yeah I must have forgotten the 7 on one of those.

Still, what about the one I just mentioned? (e^x - e^-x)/2 = 7 ?

#1537 Re: Help Me ! » logarithims, remind me again? » 2005-12-13 13:06:04

Huh? I assumed 7 ln 2 was the correct answer because that was the answer in my book! Hang on let me check it again.

In the meantime heres another problem I can't solve:

(e^x - e^-x)/2 = 7

e^x -e^-2 = 14

e^x = 14 + e^-x

ln e^x = ln 14 + ln e^-x

x ln e = ln 14 - x ln e

x = ln 14 -x      (ln e = 1)   

2x = ln 14

x = (ln 14 )/2

Does this look right to you?

In my book the answer is ln (7 + sqrt(50))

That doesn't make any sense. I've never found an incorrect answer in my mathbook before, let alone two in one lesson.

#1538 Re: Help Me ! » Integration » 2005-12-13 11:06:14

I see. Thanks!

your half way through calculus??  wow... ur pretty fast.  are you learning it on your own or in an accelerated course???

I teach myself with a book. Saxon Calculus. All Saxon math books are great. Taught myself Algebra 1, 2 and Trig with them, and now calculus. Its a pretty long book, longer then the other ones, and calculus seems to take longer then I anticipated. Before I did 3 lessons a day and would tear through a book in about two months. (interuptions included) but calculus I usually only end up finishing one or two lessons a day. But sometimes you start to speed up as you get more familiar with the concepts, and learning and doing the problems gets easier.

#1539 Help Me ! » logarithims, remind me again? » 2005-12-13 10:57:29

mikau
Replies: 9

I had understood that  7 ln 7 = ln 6^7   And that ln 6 - ln 2 = ln 6/2  (or 3)

But if you have:

7 ln 6 - ln 3

and you first write it as 7 ln 6/3 you have:

7 ln 2

If you first rewrite it as

ln 6^7 - ln 3

then you have:

ln (6^7)/3

But this produces a different answer then 7 ln 2

This seems to indicate you should use the power/coefficent rule last, but what if you had:

5 ln 3 - 4 ln 2

you'd have to use the power coefficiant rule first.

I think I'm just forgetting a few things. I haven't done logarithmic equations in while.

#1540 Help Me ! » Integration » 2005-12-12 19:09:08

mikau
Replies: 5

Sometimes my book tells me to integrate on a graphing calculator, but I like to do it manually as well for practice. But once in a while I find something I can't seem to integrate.

integrate e^(-x^2)

If its original form had been e^(-x^2),  differentiating would have produced -2x e^(-x^2)   We can't go back to the original integral and say -1/2x * integral of -2x e^(-x^2) because you are not allowed to use variables when you do that. (don't ask me why)

Are some functions inpossible to integrate manually?

Keep in mind I'm about half way through my calculus book. They may teach me how to integrate a function like this in a later lesson. But perhaps I should already know how, and I'm forgeting something. Or perhaps some functions can not be integrated manually. Which is it?

#1541 Re: Help Me ! » stuck on angle between two lines » 2005-12-12 06:35:20

Are you trying to say that a line with a slope of x/0 is not vertical? Think of the rise over the run. It moves up x units every time it moves over zero units. Then its going straight up. If you prefer to avoid division by zero completely, you could say as the denominator approaches zero, the slope aproaches that of a vertical line, as a limit. If we use 1/infinity as the denominator, then if we call it a vertical line, our error will be infinitly small.

I don't know, I just read that the slope of a line is vertical when it is undefined (has a denominator of zero)

If you work backwards and try to find the slope of a vertical line, it will always result in division by zero.

Besides, what is the tangent of 90 degree's? Undefined. 1/0 on a unit circle.

#1542 Re: Help Me ! » stuck on angle between two lines » 2005-12-11 14:53:47

Well the derivative of x^(1/2) is (1/2)/sqrt(x) set x = 0 and the slope is 0.5/0 which is a vertical line. The derivative is x^3 is 3x^2. When x equals zero it has a value of zero, or a slope of 0/1 which is a horizontal line. So I guess its true.

#1543 Re: Help Me ! » stuck on angle between two lines » 2005-12-11 14:50:56

Yeah I thought that saying the slope was vertical at zero looked kind of wierd. Oh well. I managed to answer the problem correctly. Or at least see where they were coming from.

#1544 Re: Help Me ! » stuck on angle between two lines » 2005-12-10 19:21:37

Ahh... now I see where 90 comes from. Its because if x^3 = sqrt x, x can equal 1 but it can also equal zero. yikes

This brings up an interesting topic. When you have for instance a statement that:

x^2 = x^3

The manner in which you solve it gives different results. If you attempt to solve if with logarithms, or simply noting that if the bases are the same, the exponants are the same, then you will be left with the expression 2 = 3.

If you divide both sides by x^2 you get x = 1.

Or if x^2 = x^3

x^2 - x^3 = 0

x^2(x - 1) = 0

then x must equal either zero or 1.

Depending on how you solve it, you may get either an incorrect expression or only one of the solutions which may or may not be the correct one.

And again like I said, attemtpting to solve with logarithms:

x^m = x^n

m log x = n log x

You  might be tempted to divide both sides by log x to find m = n but its not necesarily true. If x equals 1 the exponants do not have to be the same. So m may have a value of 3 and n a value of 2, and the rest of the problem, you would go about substituting 3 for 2 or 2 for 3. Disturbing.

Come to think of it, I think I can draw the following conclusion:

if x^n = x^m and m does not equal n then x = 1, will be a solution to the equation. x = -1 will be a solution if m and n are either odd numbers or a fraction of odd numbers, and x = 0 will be a solution if both m and n are not negative. (division by zero is undefined.)

Boy oh boy, someone needs to tell 1 and 0 to stop misbehaving. This sort of thing can be a major source of bugs in computer functions.

#1545 Help Me ! » stuck on angle between two lines » 2005-12-10 18:40:07

mikau
Replies: 8

Find the angle between the slopes of the graphs y = x^3 and y = sqrt(x)

First we find the intersection(s) of the two functions.

x^3 = x^(1/2)

divide both sides by x^(1/2)

x^5/2 = 1

x = 1         took the 5/2th root of both sides.

If we find the derivatives of the original functions, we get:

3x^2 and -1/2sqrt(x)

Evaluated at the intersection (1), the slopes of the two lines are:

3 and -0.5

The angle between the slopes of two lines is given by:

tan A = (M1 - M2)/(1 - M1M2)

If we use 3 for M1 and -0.5 for M2 it evaluates to (5/2)/(5/2) which is 1.

So if the tangent of A equals 1, we know it must be either 45 or 225. 225 makes no sense so it must be 45. But in my book, the answer is 45 and 90. Ninety?! Where did that come from? If anything, I would have thought 45 or 135. (since two intersecting lines will form two pairs of suplementary angles) but 90 makes no sense at all.

What bugs me about the forumula  tan A = (M1 - M2)/(1 - M1M2) is that it makes no specifications about which is M1 and which is M2. I had two slopes of 3 and -0.5. Depending on which I choose for M1 and M2 changes the sign of the outcome of the formula. I'll either get 1 or -1.

Dismaying.

#1546 Re: Help Me ! » parabolla's and velocity » 2005-12-09 13:49:38

No I didn't. I accidently got the answer by guessing. It resulted in an inequality giving me a half correct answer. The equation x^3 = x is the same as x - x^3, but when its in this form then it makes sense with maximums and minimums. x - x^3 will give us the difference and show us how much x exceeds its cube for any value of x. The high point of the graph is the value of x for which it exceeds it the most! :-D
Its pure genius! yikes

#1547 Help Me ! » parabolla's and velocity » 2005-12-09 11:09:56

mikau
Replies: 2

I was solving an equation for velocity, by differentiating the equation of position. I had to find the values of the f(x) for which the velocity is zero, greater then zero, or less then zero. But the velocity equation was a quadratic. So the velocity was zero at two points. But the times when the velocity was greater or less then zero, thats not so simple. The graph of the quadratic will be a parabolla that oppens either upward or downard. It will cross the x axis at the zero's of the equation. Now if it opens upward, then the points between the two zero's will be below the x axis. If it opens downward, the points between the two zero's will be above the x axis.

We can find the region between the zero's by simply designating it to be the region less then the larg zero and greater then the small zero. And the region outside the zero's by the points that are either greater then the large or less then the small.

So all we need to do is find out whether the parabolla opens upward or downward. Thats easy, if the equation is ax^2 + bx + c, then if a is positive, it will be large and positve for large absolute values of x (opens upward). If a is negative, then it will be large and negative for large absolute values of x.

So now that we know whether it opens upward or downward, then we know where the region between the zero's is positive  or negative and if the region outside the zero's is positive or negative. So we now know the region where the velocity is positve or negative and have found the answer to the problem.

Is this cheating? Is there a more elegent way I could have solved this? A way to find the points on a parabolla that are above or below the x axis without considering its graph and whether the parabolla opens upward or downward?

The graph of the velocity in this problem was a parabolla which is pretty easy since it only has one vertice. But an equation of higher degree would be a nightmare! Is there any simple method to determine all the points above or below the graph of a function? You can't always say "f(x) > 0" or "f(x) < 0" and solve, because many functions have more then one zero and some of the roots will not be consitant with the inequality.



Another strange problem I got. Find the postive number that exceeds its cube by the greatest amount.

At first I tried differentiating c = x^3

3x^2

then setting it equal to zero:

3x^2 = 0

Solved, x = 0. Thats obviously incorrect. I was unsure how to solve the problem and tried:

x > x^3

differentiated:

1 > 3x^2

1/3 > x^2        divided both sides by 3

sqrt(1/3) > x    square root of both sides

sqrt(3)/3 > x   rationalized denominator

This expression is an inequalit, but the answer to the problem was x equals sqrt(3)/3.

Peculiar. If I had set x = x^3, differentiated, and solved. That would have given me the answer.

But why? It doesn't seem like a normal maximums and minimums problem.

#1549 Re: This is Cool » Philosophy of math » 2005-12-04 13:21:04

You mean its been reviewed?

#1550 Re: Help Me ! » Complex numbers help » 2005-12-03 06:11:28

j? My book always used i!

Btw, is there any practical use for imaginary numbers at all?

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