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#126 Re: Help Me ! » Quadratic Equation » 2012-07-28 04:44:39

Hi bobbym, nice to see you too! smile Sadly I haven't really had much time to spare recently, but I couldn't resist doing some quadratic equations - if only to dust off a few cobwebs, it took me a few minutes to complete the square correctly, if I'm honest, added rather than subtracted! I hope you're well? smile

#127 Re: Help Me ! » Quadratic Equation » 2012-07-28 04:32:40

Yes smile If we were to divide by x - 2, we would get

But there is another solution:

#128 Re: Help Me ! » Quadratic Equation » 2012-07-28 04:06:35

That's very nicely done by bobbym, remember: dividing through by the unknown causes you to lose solutions.

#129 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-22 06:34:21

Well - if you literally just want to practise your LaTeX skills, one of the things I quite like to do is just typeset a wikipedia article, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_equation
But otherwise, you could just find yourself a maths problem and - rather than doing it by hand - you could make a LaTeX document. Just an idea. Or maybe type up a few of your old homeworks?

#130 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-22 00:01:14

Well, linguistics is my trade at the moment, mathematics is my hobby. I devoted quite a lot of my last summer to maths and intend to continue pursuing it. I am particularly interested in the mathematics of infinity. This summer, of course, I've been working on Sanskrit a fair bit, but I don't intend to leave mathematics behind.

#131 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-21 10:23:36

Well next year I will look at phonology, syntax and semantics and I will also do some Sanskrit language & literature units

#132 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 23:39:57

Well, their stated purpose is the same as any exam. Generally, they are required to progress to A-level and may well help your application for a job which wouldn't normally require academic qualifications - y'know, just something extra to put on your CV. It has also been rumoured that universities occasionally look at them for distinguishing between otherwise very similar candidates. But, in truth, they aren't worth all that much.

I'm at the University of London smile

#133 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 12:35:40

Oh okay - I couldn't imagine C not coming up somewhere at least! The most i have ever managed is a few lines of BASIC on a microcontroller and I did not much enjoy the experience tongue But then, I probably didn't get a fair view of it smile

Yes, you certainly seem very good at English if I may say so.

Ahhh yes, GCSEs. They are, I mean, there's just no getting around it, I don't wish to sound arrogant or dismissive, I'm sure there are many people, some of who may well use or have used this forum, who have felt intimidated by the prospect of GCSEs; but I can't pretend that I didn't find them very straightforward indeed. But care must be taken, not everybody is taught to the same standard and not everybody is naturally academically inclined. Personally I treated the whole process with a generous measure of disdain, but I wouldn't want to imply that current GCSE students nervously awaiting their results are making a fuss over nothing or else are not very bright.

Well I'm in my first year of university at the moment, so my school days are only just behind me tongue

#134 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 11:51:11

Programming? Now there's a subject we never had at school. Certainly very interesting though - do you have any idea which languages you will look at? Surely C or BASIC, or perhaps - at opposite ends of the spectrum - lisp or python? And English too, I wonder how it is taught - at the moment I'm a linguist by trade, you see, so I can't help but be intrigued by language courses. Good luck with it - do you have to write papers for all of your subjects? We often got coursework (you know, essays usually) at GCSE (usually taken when you're 16) but even that was rare at A-level (usually the first  half of the exams are sat at 17 the second half at 18) and we never had papers.

#135 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 11:41:12

You study many - then? I remember in my final two years most people only took three, or sometimes four. Which is your favourite, apart from maths (always assuming - of course - that maths is your favourite)

#136 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 11:36:53

Of course. What do you study - besides mathematics?

#137 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 11:27:29

I see smile - yes that's what I mean, sorry if I wasn't clear, I just didn't know if this was a school project, or perhaps even higher education. We don't really have 'grades' in the UK, you see - well - we have the equivalent, we just don't usually call them that.

#138 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 11:22:34

Ooooh good luck with that! What level is that for?

#140 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 08:33:31

Oh, no no, that's alright - I just thought I'd see how you were getting on smile

#141 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-20 08:18:49

Hi Sharini,

Thank you for your kind attempt to help, but - although MS Word to LaTeX converters do exist (I believe, I have never tried one and really wouldn't recommend it myself) - it would not be possible to work with a pdf file in this way to the best of my knowledge, I'm afraid.

anonimnystefy - did you have any luck with that basic document?

#142 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-06 02:40:56

You're quite welcome smile

As far as choice of editor goes, that's really up to you. Personally I run vim from the terminal for most things, unless I want to use unicode in my .tex file - vim doesn't really do unicode - when I use emacs. I could say many things in their favour, but largely, if you've found an editor you like then you may as well stick with it - and learning to use either vim or emacs means learning things on top of the LaTeX! tongue White_Owl's advice is very good too and there are loads and loads of packages out there - there really is very little worth doing that nobody's attempted to write a package for and if you really want to you can have a go at writing one yourself - although, even after all these years, I haven't quite got the hang of that, but then, I haven't devoted too much attention to it. My advice, if you want to do that, would be to invest in Leslie Lamport's book which contains all the instructions for that.

P.S. Nice to hear you're a linux user smile If nothing else, if you do have trouble with rendering or where to put your packages, I'll be a lot more help than I would be with Windows tongue

#143 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-04 21:51:10

Hi smile

For full details, there is a very good manual here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX

If you want to use LaTeX just for doing maths homework or something, you can pick up the commands quite easily and be very happy, but if you want to branch out into writing large documents and day-to-day use, it's important to be prepared to look things up. You can quite easily spend as much time looking up how to typeset something as you can writing it in the first place! For me, this is all part of the fun and I have argued at length that LaTeX really does make life easier, more fun and gives much better results, but it takes time and it won't always work out first time smile

But, to get you off the ground, first you will need what we call a 'preamble', here you call all of the packages you want to use and set-up your document. Let me give you an example:

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\pagestyle{plain}
\usepackage[margin=1.8cm]{geometry}
\geometry{a4paper}
\usepackage[parfill]{parskip}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{amssymb}

This is a simple preamble that I use.

\documentclass[12pt]{article}

The documentclass is very important. There are plenty to choose from and they include lots of default settings, they define how your chapters, sections, subsections, etc. will look, how your table of contents will look, what will go in your margins, that sort of thing. They also give you the ability to specify various options, such as the font size. In square brackets I have specified 12pt, the default is 10pt. The documentclass is like a sort of template, it comes with all your basic settings thrown in, so you don't have to set it all up yourself. Article is designed for writing small, well, articles, for individual pieces of work. report is an example of a class designed for much bigger projects - such as reports! You may like to try looking out how titles, chapters and sections look in each one.

\pagestyle{plain}

This is just a little bit of set-up, it's not essential, this just specifies my headers and footers. With this option, each page is numbered in the centre at the bottom. empty, for example, would give me completely clear headers and footers.

\usepackage[margin=1.8cm]{geometry}
\geometry{a4paper}

These two, together, specify that I will be using A4 paper, as opposed to letter paper, or A3 paper for example and it sets-up the margins nicely for me. By default, all of the text is put in a small box in the middle and there are very large margins. Note also that this is the first time I have called a package. A package - as you may well already know - provides extra commands, it extends the basic functionality of LaTeX by essentially teaching it new things. We call packages with \usepackage{'nameofpackage'} where 'nameofpackage' is - well - the name of the package. So if you wanted to use package.sty you would write \usepackage{package}. In the []s we can specify various options that may be provided by the package. Package specific details will always be provided in the manual, usually with nice, detailed instructions and examples, but it depends on the manual tongue

\usepackage[parfill]{parskip}

This simply creates a clear line between successive paragraphs, as opposed to indenting new paragraphs without a linebreak.

\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{amssymb}

These two packages give you access to the vast majority of commands for mathematics. amsmath provides most of the normal commands you will need and amssymb is particularly useful as it provides \therefore which produces ∴

Now, you're ready, if you have everything installed, you should be able to try:

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\pagestyle{plain}
\usepackage[margin=1.8cm]{geometry}
\geometry{a4paper}
\usepackage[parfill]{parskip}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{amssymb}

\begin{document}

Hello world! Let's see how we handle mathematics:

$\begin{displaystyle}
e^{x} = \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} \frac{x^{n}}{n!} = 1 + x + \frac{x^{2}}{2!} + \frac{x^{3}}{3!} + \dots \quad \text{ for all } x
\end{displaystyle}$

\end{document}

By the way, am I to gather that you're a linux user?

#144 Re: Help Me ! » Creating LaTeX documents? » 2012-07-04 12:03:32

Hi, anonimnystefy, what exactly would you like to know? I remember we talked about this once before, last summer, didn't we? What is it that you're looking for? Perhaps I can be of a little more help this time smile

#145 Re: Help Me ! » Calculus - Intergration by Substitution » 2012-06-16 01:38:35

People are using LaTeX. LaTeX is a full document preparation system, which basically means, LaTeX proper can be used to create all kinds of documents, reports, theses, pieces of homework, anything from shopping lists to entire books. Here, however, we just use a simple engine which allows us to print mathematical symbols in the forum. So, to put everything I've said more simply, to use mathematical symbols here, type:

Just like you would use

To make things bold, e.g. bold.

If you click on 'post reply' you will find a button marked 'Math' at the bottom, next to 'B', 'I', 'U', 'Img', 'Code' and 'Quote'.

There is, in the 'Help Me!' forum a link to a post called 'LaTeX a crash course' which should give you a basic idea of the commands, many of which are fairly logical. Wikibooks also has a nice LaTeX manual. But, to give you an example:

u = \ln x
du = \frac{1}{x} \; dx
u^{2} \; du

Will produce the maths that you used in your last post, e.g.:

Also, note that if you click on the picture of the maths, it will redirect you to a page giving the exact LaTeX used by the poster, so you can see how the person has done it smile

#146 Re: Help Me ! » Software for LaTeXing homework? » 2012-01-29 01:17:05

Hey smile

Anonimnystefy's method is certainly one way, but - personally - I would like to recommend using LaTeX proper. Now TeX was originally designed as a typesetting language for whole documents and many many people use LaTeX (LaTeX is a particular style of TeX - and the best one out there really, but it is based on TeX, it's mainly the actual language that is different, not so much the output) just for this - with no maths at all. One of my BA linguistics teachers actually uses it for her lecture notes and I have used it for all of my assignments - including my Sanskrit ones! The maths is really just an extension, but it's a good one, an example of it in use for a full document would be something like this:

www.tondering.dk/claus/sur15.pdf

Although everybody has their own styles and everybody's documents will look different. The language is even used for writing books and I've come across many mathematics books written purely in LaTeX, along with lots of academic papers. Using LaTeX proper will produce a .pdf (or, it can be used to produce .dvi - I think .dvi files are produced by the basic latex rendering engine, but usually people will use pdflatex to render with) and gives you a number of advantages. I don't quite know how Aurora works and I wouldn't want to completely disregard anonimnystefy's advice - it seems to work well for him at any rate, but I wouldn't recommend using microsoft word in general, but certainly for LaTeX, I think using the language proper gives you so many advantages and a much much better finish.

Anyway if you are to do that - LaTeX is completely free, you just need to download the latest distribution (if you're using windows, then I think MiKTeX (http://miktex.org/) is probably the one for you. On windows it should set itself up no problem. What MiKTeX does is provide you with all of the packages, the renderer and other such nuts and bolts. As you know, LaTeX is a mark-up language, so instead of pressing buttons or using keyboard shortcuts - like in word - you type commands, so \textbf{would make this text bold} - e.g:

These commands (they are called control sequences - textbf is the control sequence and the \ is the escape character, we say that it 'escapes' a 'command') must be interpreted by a renderer - in essence, your commands are like instructions, which tells the renderer what to do. It reads your .tex file and interprets all of the instructions to make a document. It is a bit like compiling computer code, if you have ever tried your hand at programming. But the basic renderer only 'knows' a few instructions and will not understand new ones, so you must load packages, which tell the renderer about these instructions, so that it can interpret them properly. For example, it is possible to typeset mathematics - as we all know. However, some of the commands you're used to, like \therefore will not mean anything to the renderer, so you must teach it what they mean by using the amssymb package - in this case.

Once you've got the distribution (trust me, it may seem like a lot of effort, but it's one download) - you only need a text editor and you're away. There are two good text editors - which are used by many many people for writing code and all mark-up languages - including LaTeX and html - and these are vim and emacs. There is what is known as the 'editor war' between proponents of both, but really you can use either. Both of them will require a little bit of setting up, though, and I don't run windows, so you should consult the internet, or there are a few editors designed specifically for LaTeX, which can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TeX_editors

Personally, I do not use these, though, I use either vim (in the case of windows, I recommend gvim) or emacs - depending on what I need to do. Personally, I prefer vim and would recommend it for mathematics, I used to typeset all of my homework in it.

Using pure LaTeX, though, will require you to write a preamble (again, I'm not sure how aurora works) so I highly recommend this manual:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX

Which will tell you pretty much everything you will ever need as a beginner, and more.

It may seem like a huge amount of effort, but this manual should give you some idea as to the power of LaTeX - and it is powerful, there are so many difficult things that it makes easy and so much that it can do, which software like word simply cannot manage and I would highly, highly recommend using it properly, especially if you actually want a document containing all of your work - rather than just a set of equations, LaTeX will do a much better job of getting it right. I read that aurora also requires you to download the TeX distribution - although I've never used it so I can't say for sure. So, it's hardly trouble free itself. Anyway, happy LaTeX-ing and let us know if you need any extra help. smile

#147 Re: Help Me ! » Is this function discrete or continuous? » 2011-11-08 01:41:52

I would actually agree with bobbym here. In mathematics and science, discrete objects, such as the integers, do not vary smoothly, they have distinct values, little blocks, as it were. With the real numbers, which are continuous, you can take two numbers which are as close together as you like, for example 3.111 and 3.112 and still have many numbers between these two. With your brownie recipe, I think that you are making individual chunks and so I would argue that it is discrete, it can't vary arbitrarily.

But that's just my take on the issue smile

#148 Re: Help Me ! » Is this function discrete or continuous? » 2011-11-07 00:23:00

Well, all I meant was that they've stopped paying you, but all the same - if you don't mind me saying so - it's nice to hear that smile

#149 Re: Help Me ! » Is this function discrete or continuous? » 2011-11-05 02:23:44

That is really quite some advice from a retired teacher, bob bundy tongue You must have been popular with the students smile

#150 Re: Help Me ! » Differentiation From First Principles » 2011-11-01 12:26:46

I'm sorry bobbym, I think tonight is a bad time for me, but since I've put you to the effort of helping me, let's see if I can get my head around this. Delta denotes change in y, that's fine, that's old hat, so a small change in y multiplied by a small change in y is a small (albeit larger, but that's not really relevant) change in y-squared. So let's think about the expansion:

Okay, sorry, I think I'm with you? I just completely misinterpreted the notation. Yes, the rest of it now makes sense, I think my sleep-deprived state was holding me back - thank you very much for your answer and your patience smile

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