Math Is Fun Forum

You get on my nerves.

(Not sometimes)

Can you provide some proof from the bible for us to discuss?

For sake of clarity, the subject of this thread as defined by mason777 appears to be the Christian god, which is the one I am referring to.

...that seems an unfair dismissal of the subject. There are many forms of prayer besides asking for help. For example, there is prayer as a means of associating with or "spending time" with God, Allah, Buddha or whoever. There is prayer to do homage, prayer to give thanks, prayer of confession/reparation, etc.

I was talking about the part of prayer which I found to be contradictory to logic.  Certainly one need not only ask for help when they pray, however it is a nonempty subset of prayers.

But even in the case of help, what you are more or less saying (IF I'm not mistaken) is that people should be able to ignore God, Allah, Buddha etc. and expect him to do favors for you.

It has nothing to do with ignoring God, but rather with being required to ask for his help.  He should know that you need and/or want it.  Ignoring him and not asking for help are not equivalent things.

So I agree, a Christian expecting prayer to grant you money and riches is foolish.

Just to be extra clear, you've brought this into the conversation.  That is, no one else was talking about wealth.  So I'm not quite sure who it is you are agreeing with.

I think it is a bit unfair to compare religion to science. After all, religion, by its very definition, requires belief. And belief, by its very definition, is not based on logic. By transitivity, religion is not logical. And it's not meant to be... why these people believe in it, I may never know... all I know is there is some reason. I hope that's cleared up.

So pray if you are not a Christian. It will make every thing in the world and in your life good.

This has been tested and shown to be bunk.  But ignoring all the fancy scientists and cool gizmos they always use, why would praying do anything?  Did God simply forget to help you?  He needs a reminder?  Or does praying persuade God into helping?  Rather, an omniscient being should know if you are deserving of help, and should give it to you if you are.

The idea of praying originated back way before the Judo-Christian belief, where gods where not omniscient.  In this context, praying, that is, asking for help, makes complete sense.  When you have an omniscient being, asking for help is quite redundant.

Hi Johnny!
A formal Welcome!

The introduction was not late, in fact we got to know a lot about you!
Oh my #!@, all these days I thought you were an American!!!
You see, it helped!
I have known Quezen City since I was 12!  hope the spelling's right!
Until then I only knew of Queensland, ha!

Your grammer is horrible!

It should become apparent to you that he is probably not an adult, nor is English his first language.  Had you considered this, I would hope you would have been more considerate and less critical.  His words were enough to be coherent and transfer the thoughts he had wished to, and in the end, isn't that all that's important?  Also, grammar is properly spelled with an 'a' and not an 'e'.

But stil this thread means nothing... Im not trying to be mean but Ninja turtles or in your case Turtle Ninjas has nothing to do with math

Neither does Dark Discussions.

Rat use no jiujitsu.  He fight Karate. 

Jiujitsu is best fight in world, beat Karate quick. 

Shredder use no jiujitsu, he lose to Brasil.

Turtle ninjas no Brasilian, or show not that long.

Shredder come, and lose to Jiujitsu in first show.

-Royce