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#1 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-05 02:31:29

hi, Apart from inequality is this similar to the form whch i hv written whch is

ln(x) = x +constant

and wht is Hx? is this constant?

#2 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-05 01:46:18

Bobbym thank u so much for tryin it. I ll thnk over it

i want to ask

is this some identity ln(x) = x +constant  ?

#3 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-04 22:47:11

Yes, u can still assume x and z are beween range of 0 to 1.

y can be 0 or 1. this is only info i have abt y

#4 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-04 22:38:45

ok... NO PROBLEM. I LL BACK TO YOU IN 2 HOURS. I HOPE TILL THEN WE ACHIEVE DESIRED RESULT. I KNO ITZ HARDER. ESPECIALLY WHEN U DONT KNO ALL D DETAILS.

BUT STILL PLEASE TRY TO DO.... CHEERS!

#5 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-04 22:33:15

Yes, The Problem Is Same What U Have Wriiten.

Thank U So Much For Trying It smile

Please Try To Reach Required Form. I Am Only Left With This Part Of The Project.

Cheers!

#6 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-04 20:46:23

according to my project. it is required

if we do derivative of F(x, y) w.r.t y and equate it to 0 then it yields as follows:

ln (x*z / y) - x*z / y = __?___   ..............(2)

and i want to derive 2nd equation from it. please solve it.

#7 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-04 04:27:28

and there is third term as well. An exact problem is as follows:


F(x, y) =    ∑1 ∑2 y log2(1+ x*z/N*B* y) + c*(∑2 x -r) + a *(∑1 y – 1) 

∑1 represents summation ranges from p=1 to P

∑2 represents summation ranges from q=1 to Q

x, y and z are functions of p and q

'c' is a constant like 'a' and 'r' is another variable.

previosly i hvnt included c*(∑2 x -r) because i thought it wil be zero, when we do derivative of F(x, y) w.r.t y

i have given you exact problem now.

#8 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-04 04:17:09

ok... sory for any inconvenience i created. i thought we can leave sigma for derivatives.

my problem is like that wht u hv written. only difference is of sigmas. rest of the things are same

BUT, in 2nd term there is costant 'a' as well it is like  a*(∑1 y – 1)  and summation is only for y, 1 is not included in summation.

please try to solve it soon. as i hv deadline tomorrow. sad

#9 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-03 11:06:10

yes,  we are not goin to put values in this equation. that y in the denominator is nt a problem for my project

please help me out wd this equation

#10 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-03 11:03:12

I also want to know do derivation rules chnages with summation. i mean wd dis symbol ∑

becuase the original equation is

F(x, y) =    ∑1 ∑2 y log2(1+ x*z/N*B* y) + a *(∑1 y – 1) 

∑1 represents summation ranges from p=1 to P

∑2 represents summation ranges from q=1 to Q

x, y and z are functions of p and q

#11 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-03 10:56:26

y can only take two values either 0 or 1

Sory in previous post, i hv written wrong. Actualy, x and z are variabes ranging between 0 to 1.

#12 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-03 10:44:42

y can be 0 or 1. while others are variables. x and z are variable less than 0

#13 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-03 00:03:09

Hi bobbym...

i dnt wnt variables at RHS. anyways you solve it the best you can. please drive LHS same as required. we can c RHS later on

Thanks

#14 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-02 11:59:58

In equation (3), Left hand side is also different, that is why i put minus sign at the right hand side

#15 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-02 11:58:09

hi bobbym... equation (3) is modified from ur equation. I have rearranged it.

you please try to rearrange it to the required form.... if we dnt get constant at right hand side... dunno wry.... u please bring it to the required form by any means.

Thanks

#16 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-10-01 10:06:21

thanks bobbym...

actualy i want exact solution as equation 2

the solution that you have given is like as follows

ln((x*z+BNy)/BNy)-x*z/(BNy+xz)=-aln(2)

we can leave BN according to my project, So now above equation becomes

ln((x*z+y)/y)-x*z/(y+x*z)=-aln(2) ....(3)

Now from above equation (3), i want to derive equation (2), left hand side should be same as in equation(2).

equation(2) is ln (x*z / y) - x*z / y = __?___


please try to solve my problem. thanks!

#17 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-28 01:30:09

thanks... i want this equation somewht like equation 2... can u  solve it further.

#18 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-27 12:44:32

yes, eq(1) is same like this.

x is also multiplied by z in the numerator, rest is fine

please help me as soon as possible. thanks

#19 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-26 13:39:32

actually i dont want to solve equation for a specific solution. my problem is different. ok let me try to explain it.

I have this equation.

F(x, y) =    y log2(1+ x*z/N*B* y) + a (y – 1)          ...........(1)

if we do derivative of eq (1) w.r.t y and equate it to 0 then it yields as follows:

ln (x*z / y) - x*z / y = __?___   ..............(2)

i want to find right hand side of equation (2), i know it is some constant but it is exactly equal to what? i want to find that. please help me out.

thanks.. smile

#20 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-26 04:19:52

thanks bobbym... can u also tell me wht is the formula to sove ln(x+y)

i mean how cn v open above equation like ln(xy)=ln(x)+ln(y)

wht is ln(x+y)=?

#21 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-19 11:53:01

YES, i HAVE USED THE SAME EQAUTION, GIVEN IN FORUM #50

IS IT OK?

#22 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-19 09:38:24

yes, i want to use 2nd one but there is no -ve sign. please see equation in ur forum #33

#23 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-19 07:34:35

hi..

but cant i use eqn on forum #33? and can you explain y i cant use it in reference to forum #44

#24 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-19 06:49:04

thanks. but i have used following equation in my project

x1=x3W(e^(-a))/x2

which u given earlier. i wanted to kno wht W(e^(-a)=?, if 'a' is positive. wil it b positive?

please help me out.

#25 Re: Help Me ! » Naturual Logarithms » 2010-09-17 12:46:46

thank u guys... u tried ur best....and with ur help i achieved some where...... thank u so much... u r doing gr8 job...keep it up.

my prob was just to solve that equation, which is solved by ur given soln as follows:

x1=x3W(e^(-a))/x2   

u meant above eqn is same as  ln(x1*x2/x3)-x1*x2/x3=a

Am i right?

can u also tell me...what will be lambert function of a (costant). i mean will it be some constant as well?

can u plz also describe why we need to use lambert function as i need to put all this in report.

once again thank u so much!!

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