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#1 Help Me ! » stuck » 2006-09-16 11:45:50

Dilbert
Replies: 8

how do you go about solving e^x=5?

#2 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-07 00:20:13

I was getting confused on a few steps. The * sign is confusing, you think of multiplication. It's subtle, you have to think forwards, then backwards.
But now I understand, well done.

#3 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-06 23:25:40

That looks right, but some of the steps are confusing.

#4 Re: Help Me ! » Functions » 2006-09-06 12:39:45

You need to make clear your question by the use of brackets first, etc.
The first one you use the quotient rule.

y= (x-2) / (x-1)^2

so y(x) = u(x)/v(x)

then 

dy/dx = (v(du/dx) - u(dv/dx))/ v^2

or y' = (vu' - uv')/v^2

u = (x-2), v = (x-1)(x-1) = (x^2-2x+1) (we open up brackets to get to simple orders)

so, du/dx = 1, dv/dx = 2x-2

Therefore: dy/dx = ((x^2-2x+1)*1 - (x-2)*(2x-2))/ (x^2-2x+1)^2

= (x^2-2x+1)-2x^3+2x+4/(x^2-2x+1)^2

= (-2x^3 +x^2 + 5)/(x^2 - 2x +1)^2

= (-2x^3 +x^2  +5)/x^4 - 4x^3 +2x^2  - 4x +1

I could be very wrong though. wink

#6 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-06 10:49:23

a +bd - (ab+ad) = ab + d - (ad + bd)
Let a = 1, b=2, d=3

7-5 = 5-9
2 = -4

So it's not associative?

Hmm, but the question was "show that (said operation) is associative" ???

#7 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-06 04:50:05

Back again, same question, need to prove it is associative. My answer:

Q. a*b = a+b-ab

A. If associative: (a*b)*c = a*(b*c)

a*(b*d) = a +(b*d) - a(b*d)
So: ab + ad = a +bd - (ab+ad)

(a*d)*b = (a*b) + d - ((a*b) *d)
So: ad + db = ab + d - (ad + bd)


hmmm?

#8 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-05 12:21:58

Much appreciated Ricky, I know I've alot to learn, i'm just trying my best.

#10 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-05 09:42:21

But how would I prove it?

#11 Re: Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-05 09:28:57

But I'm dealing with letters, not numbers, you cannot operate on letters. It says defined on R. This is abstract.

#12 Help Me ! » Hey » 2006-09-05 09:04:06

Dilbert
Replies: 19

How would you show that a binary operation is closed, when dealing with an algebraic example like the following?
a*b = a+b - ab

hmmm?

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