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#1 Re: Help Me ! » Arithmetic of Infinity » 2024-05-11 02:28:24

Well, I do apologize.  I was expecting a thanks for pointing forum members to what I consider a most interesting field.

In short: two sets are considered to have the same size (or cardinality) if they can be put into a 1-1 relationship.

E.g., the naturals N = {1,2,3,...} would seem naively to be twice as big as the evens E = {2,4,6,...}.  However, as they can be matched up 1-1: (1,2), (2,4), (3,6), and so on, they have the same size.  Georg Cantor called this smallest transfinite size by the first Hebrew letter aleph, with a subscript zero, read as aleph-null.

It turns out that many infinite sets are in fact aleph-null sets.

Take the rationals Q = {p/q where p and q are integers}.  Although there are an infinite number of rationals between any two integers, Q is in fact aleph-null.  Here's a listing that contains all rationals (some may be duplicated): {1/1, -1/1, 1/2, -1/2, 2/1, -2/1, 2/2, -2/2, 1/3, -1/3, 2/3, -2/3, etc.}. You should get the point here.  Since they can all be listed, they match 1-1 with N, hence aleph-null (also called countably infinite).

BUT - the reals are > aleph-null.

Proof by reductio ad absurdum.  Assume you have a list of all reals.  Then here's a real not in your list: Construct it by creating a number that differs from the nth number in your list in its nth position.  Since this new number is not in your list, you did not in fact provide such a list, hence it cannot be done.  Even if you add that number to the list, we'll just do this all over again.

Here's the really cool part: In 1900 or so David Hilbert created his famous list of 23 problems for the next century.  First on the list: the Continuum Problem: is the cardinality of the reals aleph-one, i.e., the very next transfinite size?

In 1963 Paul Cohen proved (get ready for this) - You can have it either way.  That is, the statement "size of the reals is aleph-one" and its negation are independent of the generally accepted axioms of set theory, ZFC (Zermelo-Fraenkel with Axiom of Choice).

#2 Help Me ! » Arithmetic of Infinity » 2024-05-10 15:31:09

Phrzby Phil
Replies: 5

I see numerous (and in my opinion repetitive and meaningless) posts about doing various arithmetic with infinity: ∞.

The theory of transfinite arithmetic was initiated mainly by Georg Cantor around the 1890's.

The theory explores in a definitive and axiomatic way the various (differently sized) infinite sets of different types of numbers (e.g., Natural Numbers, Rationals, Irrationals, Transcendentals).

This is too involved to say more here, but a good starting point are these articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfinite_number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_hypothesis

#4 Re: Help Me ! » Prove 1 = 2 » 2024-05-10 10:40:31

Follow each line of the "proof."  When you get to a division line, evaluate the divisor.  If it = zero, then the following lines of the "proof" are invalid if they assume that the quotient is a real number, as opposed to the division being undefined.

#5 Re: Help Me ! » Prove 1 = 2 » 2024-05-09 12:06:03

Have you found which line has the division by zero?

#6 Re: Help Me ! » Prove 1 = 2 » 2024-05-09 09:21:31

The point is that there is most likely a division which is not obviously by zero, but close analysis shows that it is, and yet the subsequent lines rely on the quotient being a real number.

#7 Re: Help Me ! » Rational Number Plus Irrational Number » 2024-05-06 10:01:10

But your post has a lower case i, so as it stands it may be considered wrong, assuming the rational/irrational distinction applies to reals only.

I guess it's too late to correct, because then these comments will make no sense.

#8 Re: Help Me ! » Rational Number Plus Irrational Number » 2024-05-06 06:43:25

I didn't know that i was considered an irrational.

Even if so, wouldn't the same "reductio ad absurdum" proof be better using a real irrational?

#9 Re: Help Me ! » (Number)^0 = 1 » 2024-05-03 11:47:28

A definition does not have a proof.

What it does need is to be consistent with other statements in a given theory, and to be useful in the various formulas.

Bob's and KerimF's explanations show how it fits with the rules of arithmetic, as odd as it seems for a^0 = 1.

#10 Re: Help Me ! » (Number)^0 = 1 » 2024-05-02 15:06:08

In my opinion this is not per se a "proof," but rather several explanations for why a^0=1 (for a not= 0) is a reasonable definition.

#11 Re: Help Me ! » Cube Function » 2024-03-30 07:43:23

And I accept your kind apology.

Good luck on your self-study.  Bob has clearly assisted you greatly.

Thanks Bob for jumping in.

#13 Re: Help Me ! » Why Does y = f(x)? » 2024-03-29 15:23:25

Sure, it is correct: (x, y) = (x, f(x)).

We say y = f(x) because, worldwide, we agree on the convention that x is the independent variable (i.e., pick a value for x), and y is the dependent variable, because when we write y = f(x), or, e.g., y = 2x+5, the value of y depends on the value of x we picked.

Some algebra books have a few sections where we consider x = f(y).  All graphs are turned sideways, vertical line tests become horizontal line tests, etc.

But the convention as noted above allows us to share our math.  Nothing magical about y = f(x) - we just all agree to do it that way.

That help?

#14 Re: Help Me ! » Your favorite mathematical concept » 2024-03-07 06:14:03

Set theory and the continuum hypothesis.

#15 Re: Help Me ! » Your favorite mathematical concept » 2024-03-07 06:10:56

Jai Ganesh wrote:

Fermat's Last Theorem.

Too bad this was finally resolved - it ruined a good joke:

A mathematician was asked to give a talk at the local college.  He told them ahead that he would be discussing his proof of Fermat's Last Theorem.
But at the symposium he actually discussed a totally different topic.
When asked later why he changed topics, he said that he told them the original topic in case he got run over by a bus on the way to the talk.

#16 Re: Help Me ! » not HW but a question: zero over zero » 2024-03-02 07:49:26

KerimF wrote:

In general, to solve f(x)/g(x) when their ratio becomes 0/0 for x=a, we calculate f'(a)/g'(a).

The rule you mention here is L'Hopital's rule, which does NOT calculate "f(x)/g(x) when their ratio becomes 0/0 for x=a"
but rather calculates the LIMIT of f(x)/g(x) as x approaches a where f(a)/g(a) is indeterminate.

That limit may well exist, even if f(a)/g(a) is undefined.

E.g., The graph may be smooth but with a hole at f(a)/g(a).

The graph of (x^2 -3x + 2)/(x-2)
looks like the straight line y = x-1, but (e.g., in Desmos) hover over the line at x=2 and it will tell you (2,undefined).

This is an example of two functions equal at all but a finite number of points.

#17 Re: Help Me ! » not HW but a question: zero over zero » 2024-02-29 13:05:34

I've got degrees in Mathematics and Computer Science, and I've never heard this.

Just curious - what's your source for: I guess lots of computer people are saying that 0/0 should be 1

I'm sure k/0 will always be undefined for any value of k, including zero.

#18 Re: Help Me ! » Another Sequences problem(help) » 2023-05-15 16:12:58

If the 31 is changed to -31, then you have a good problem.

#19 Re: Help Me ! » Math Problem: A Bird and Two Cars » 2023-03-29 09:55:24

As a math student - I suggest you do it the "messy" way also.  Since you know the answer from the "easy" way - you'll know if you got it right.  One more technique learned.

(Disclosure - Of course, as a FORMER math student and teacher/tutor, I have no intention of doing that myself.  I presume I can, and that's good enough for me!  I'm going out to play Frisbee.)

#20 Re: Help Me ! » Math Problem: A Bird and Two Cars » 2023-03-28 14:43:04

This should get you started.
I assume you mean each car's speed is 5m/h.  To simplify your thinking, it is as if one is stationary and the other's speed is 10m/h.
Distance is 15 miles, so total time till collision is 1.5 hours.
Bird flies at 30m/h for 1.5 hours.
You should be able to finish the problem now.

#21 Re: Help Me ! » Geometry » 2022-10-26 15:46:13

Think of it this way..

The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line.

If the sum of the lengths of 2 side of a triangle = the length of the third, then the "triangle" would collapse to 2 overlapping straight lines.

If the sum of the lengths of 2 side of a triangle is < the length of the third, then the shortest distance between the third line's endpoints would not be that straight line.

#22 Re: Help Me ! » Solve for a: Reviewing the Basics » 2022-09-22 15:08:45

Try undoing the operations in reverse precedence order to isolate the variable.

#23 Re: Help Me ! » Range and domain of functions » 2022-09-08 13:25:14

I am an experienced math teacher and tutor.

New to this very interesting forum, I am rather astonished and disappointed that some knowledgeable responders just give a student the answer, as above, rather than ask the appropriate questions to the poster to guide the student to the answer.

#24 Re: Help Me ! » Help me solve this. 98% of mathematicians failed » 2022-08-19 18:12:59

I am thinking the equation as posted was intended for the 49x to be in the denominator, but was mis-written - should have therefore been written as (49x).

If that is the case, then it becomes a cubic equation.

I graphed the cubic for an approximation to its one real root.

#25 Re: Help Me ! » Inverse Functions » 2022-08-14 09:44:13

Sounds to me that you are saying you don't know the distributive rule: a(b + c) = ab + ac.

That's pretty fundamental.  You should know this before doing inverse functions.

If you DO know it, then use it here: -1/5 (-5x + 3)
and then simplify further.

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