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#1 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-10-26 04:09:35

Hi there.
Because Im a programmer, I've moved my effort to factorization, so I needed effective sieving (to improve my algorythmic skills also). Still need more mathemathical skill to perform deterministic formula.

But just to refresh the topic. Here is my latest creation (not yet debuged and finally tested, still work in progress - maybe someone will find it usefull).
So, my main question atm is: Do you know any similar solution/site/aplication/program I could test and compare? Im not looking at this point for raw algorithm.
Yes I've was searching google for probabilistic prime calc.

It works in two steps:
A.generating sieve,
B.sieving

http://spruce-mobile.com/samples/divisionCalc_v53.html
I hope I will see you soon with some more interesting work.

#2 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-12 00:31:35

I wasnt thought about that kind of computing.
Anyway reserch goes further thanks to few guys that helped me with to educate myself a bit in math.
In fact primes are in pattern, but its not obivious it you are using old fashioned decimal system. Thats all I can tell right now.

But yes Im able to predict any prime and generate pattern for any kind of range even on my mobile phone. Stay tuned, before 2015 I schould show more.

#3 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-10 21:49:12

I have found only complete list for 1-10^10

BTW some funny coincidence found by this theory. Pimes in range x-y are always in reverse order after given interval and the interval is always easy to compute for each primes group. So after you know Primes in range 1-10000000 you also know primes in 10000000-19999999 without computation.
So if I had 'big enough' calculator I could give you about 20 numbers where you could find prime with at least 100,000,000 decimal digits. I hope research will give more accurate result.
Also Im able to get <= number of primes for some ranges (which means there is never more than X primes in given range). I hope more research will give me exact number of primes in given range.

#4 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-10 05:47:09

Thanks guys for the feedback. Actually according to wave theory I think Im able to find every next prime and make function for that. Some other guy helped me figured out what Im looking for. But I need some time because I have lot of other things to do, at least few months.
Seems legit in first computations, but it have to be formed as formula, so I need time and patience. If succed that schould be a proof that they are not random placed at all.

Do you know where I could download lot of primes to verify results?

#5 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 08:22:13

well every time sive works it's a proof that primes are not unpredictable, and waves are showing rules for that. but its ok, im rather not here to talk endlesly but to find someone who could help me somehow.

#6 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 07:19:33

How much schoud be primes sequence made by using this method to make people belive that this "could be" a way how primes are placed on integrals array?

#7 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 07:01:25

prediction for noise is not the prediction for next prime.
And you are right - I need bigger numbers, to draw conclusion for bigger numbers wink

#8 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 06:54:13

If you draw waves nothing looks random. If result is always true there is nothing to prove I belive.

If this is right theory, if you send the message in to the space using primes in frequencies, you are able to decode when it was sent even after milion years or how it will sound after the milion years.

you can also use it to encryption that is like impossible to decode.

#9 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 06:34:57

according to the pdf - that every next free spot is a prime number, and this is exactly next prime. That will prove me that primes are not random, they have wave behavior and prime numbers 'noise' in given range can be always decoded and predicted endlesly.

#10 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 06:26:05

Well because primes are irrelevant for me. I need to make sure that 'noise' they are generating together is not random.
Since then I can predict noise endlesly for any known prime numbers range.

@above - thats why I need larger primes generated, but according to Erostrathes sieve sounds proofable wink

#11 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 06:15:30

Thats why I thought we missunderstood each other. Im not here to generate numbers but to check wave theory that will give a proof that primes are not in random positions.

#12 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 06:10:26

if you will prove its wrong for higher numbers - its wrong. Thats how we meet - I need help wink

But is wave theory is correct larger waves thatn X/2 are not interfering number X at all.

#13 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 06:07:49

I said that you need all primes X/2 to sieve X. Isnt this obivious?

#14 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 05:53:49

Because numbers are irrelevant. To find if X is prime you need to know all primes in range 2-(X/2)

#15 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 05:39:52

We probably missunderstood each other. While you are checking if 997 is a prime, you just have to check if there is no interfere with primes in 2-500 range. Second half is irrelevant.

#16 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 05:16:10

If you do, you will certainly miss some primes.

The point is - you wont. I did computation.
To find prime:
no.168 you need to know 75 primes
no.303 you need to know 136 primes
...
no.9593 you need to know 4462 primes
You need about half primes because bigger ones are not involved in wave length so you can't miss anything.

Euclid proved long ago that there is no last prime. Of course there are primes with 100 billion digits.

Like I said above you can predict how many primes you need to find first with 100billion numbers (decimal). I didnt said anything about last prime.

#17 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 02:44:33

About your radiation idea I can say little except if it depends on knowing where the next prime will pop up it will certainly fail.

It looks like it works great in reversing. which is valuable in decyption of current cryptography. Also if you know how it works you can easily optimize sieve or (I hope) in future find a formula.

Im not saying its any kind of patern, but for example to find 19th-24th prime you just have to spin the whell of first 11. Larger numbers are, more (latest) you can easily exclude and still compute next primes corectly.

Also if its true you can predict how many bilion primes you need in sieve to find 10bilion digits prime (probably none) or 100bilon digits (also probably none).

@Agnishom: thx man its very refreshing to confront your ideas  with lager community.

#18 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-09 00:40:34

Prime computation is just side effect. According to this theory primes are just freqiencies where impulses are.
Noise itself is more important. If you recive for eq. radiation frequency you would be able - if this theory is correct - decode how many particles are generating impulses and what are their elementary peroids.

If it's not true (about the holes) schould be quickly checked by someone better in math than me wink

#19 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 23:47:59

bobbym wrote:

This is a major problem and posting this anywhere can not get you the help you want. Because if I could solve this I would publish it and be famous.

Hehe yea, you are right. But it works perfectly for the first few primes, and my theory is defined - primes are like waves appearing in every new frequency hole, also genetaring his own. All that anyone else can do is to prove it wrong.

On range 1-200.000 there is this simple rule of 'how', 'when' and 'why'. Question is - if it's general rule for all primes.

#20 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 23:28:27

I understand, that's why Im posting it, to look for a help. If this wave theory could be correct next step is to create formula that is creating primes, because there would be a rule how primes are born.
So most important for me is to prove if following this theory anyone could generate 'false prime' somewhere.

#21 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 23:13:42

yea, it's easiest I could find to search for them using script. I described script I've wroted to search not the theory. Theory is not about how to find prime.
The core is to show that primes are not appear randomly. There is the rule where and why they are in exact place in the numbers array. And also why 1 cannot be a prime number.

#22 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 22:57:48

it's irrelevant I think. its about to prove that primes are not in random places, and find the rule (and reason why they are so important) for all primes, which allow us to predictate the 'noise' pattern or maybe each new prime.

But I need more computation, Im not able to perform to move forward.

#23 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 22:34:22

adding.
if you will find free spot, you just have to create new digit, lets say 11, and then 'occupy' every next number that is multiplication of 11 - 22,33,44,55,66,77,88 etc. Those spots are now 'occupied'.
Then you are going forward - number 12 - is 'occupied' by first prime - 2, so you are moving forward - 13 is free, so you create next prime and occupy every 13th number like 26, 39 etc.

Sounds silly, but its most basic description of non-free frequency I have found.

By adding all previous primes you are eliminating every number that is not a prime, and in final result you have list of primes.
Simple because you just have to add numbers endlesly and by adding you occuping not prime numbers. Each not occupied is prime (according to the theory, but require more computation).
Im game dev working in scripting language, so I can only generate 200k numbers array hmm

#24 Re: Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 21:42:03

thanks man for pasting link. Im posting this everywhere I can, but Im not a math guy, so I dont know where I schould send this, and this is how I google your topic about primes, and registered account wink

#25 Help Me ! » need help in simple computation for my thory » 2014-02-08 21:14:24

martnSpruce
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I'm new here, and I wouldnt be here if I wasn't looking for a help in checking my theory.

It works for some sort of digits (like 200k) but I'm not skillfull enough (newbie game dev) to check next variations. If it works, reward is juicy - large primes with zero effort.

here is the pdf of how it works (jpg slides in pdf):
im not able to post line with problem described, so I will try to trich forum. Sorry if you will find this offensive.
blue-boxDOTcomDOTplDASHklienciDASHhowtocryptDOTpdf

I really apreciate your help!
if you have any question/answers you can also e-mail me, e-mail is in last slide.

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