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bobbym
You forgot that my German is terrible!
MG1
Sorry of course should have been obvious! The above Quotes show you know little about Chess! Computers! Math! And German!
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Really now! 10^1 000 000 + thats a joke right.
MG1
I know many jokes and comedians but this one I missed...
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I was referring to a combination which is a sack of one or more pieces to checkmate the opponent. Positional players don't usually sack a piece unless it leads to an immediate win.
MG1
But you are a special kind of player! So I would expect you to do just that.
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Perhaps some of their stuff is incorrect but much isn't. Yes, computers are made by humans. Geniuses are human, computers do not fit the definition of a genius.
MG1
Again they and you need your Knowledge base's updated! Computers are becoming Genius in many Scientific area's including Math Theorems! Science! Medicine! Etc.
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Computers already beat the best humans: The last match 3 programs versus 3 former world champions, the final score 8 to 4 favor of the programs
MG1
Enough said!
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I am sorry but I am one of those people that feels that .9999999999999... = 1. Can't debate it here. Please stick to the premise of the thread.
MG1
No problem just making a point about how incompetent Wikipedia is!
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Also go, which has a much larger game tree then chess( ≈ 10^170 or more) has been much more difficult for computers. Alpha-beta pruning, razoring, singular extensions and all the other tricks have not been able to prune the tree to a manageable size. As far as I know the best humans can trounce the best programs.
MG1
At the moment they can! But again only a matter of time! The game of GO is being solved slowly by using advanced Pattern recognition techniques! Plus look up tables input by some of the worlds best players!...
MathGenius#
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jimmR
is "incomprehensible jibberish" too strong of a phrase for this forum???
MathGenius#
Looks like what you have posted is to me aswell!
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Now that is one of the smartest things anyone on this forum has said to me. If you would have included math in the things I know nothing about, it would have been genius.
MG1
Sorry of course should have been obvious! The above Quotes show you know little about Chess! Computers! And Math!
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It is not like noughts and crosses which has a small game tree of 9!. The game tree for chess is 10^60 or larger. No conceivable computer could possibly enumerate it or store it.
MG1
10^1000,000 + will all be possible!
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No one or no thing could ever play perfect chess. The alpha-beta algorithm ( an improvement on the minimax algorithm) guarantees finding a good move, no one knows what the absolute best move is.
MG1
They beat 99% of all Humans at the moment! That's pretty good for not finding the best moves so far! As I said before only a matter of time for the absolute best moves..as with when the complete Game Tree is solved!
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Also I am primarily a positional player and do not sack pieces unless it leads to mate.
MG1
I would love to see an example Game of yours! What's the point in sacking a piece and then letting the Computer mate you? You might as well play on longer in hope!
Wikipedia wrote:
A genius is someone who successfully applies a previously unknown technique in the production of a work of art, science, or calculation, or who masters and personalizes a known technique.etc.
As you can see from the above quote a genius is a person, never a machine.
MG1
As for your Quote above and from Wikipedia,it's about time they updated their knowledge base! Constantly they are putting information on their site that is wrong! For this example they and you are forgetting that Computers are made by Humans!
Another classic example is the Quote on their site that Infinite/Recurring 0.9 = 1 when the more Intellectual know!...if something is Infinite/Recurring it must stay the same continuously from how it started! i.e. 0.9 must always equal 0.9 with an Infinite/Recurring difference of 0.1 to ever becoming equal to 1
This must be a Mathematician's worst Nightmare! to try and Calculate the End of the Universe,because Mathematician's want order,they want everything to be correct and calculable,but how can we do it? Where do we start?
It must be something like...[Space] + [Space] + [Space] etc. with no End!
But we want to find the End it can't be [Space] + [Space] + [Space] then [End] ?
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MG1
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bobbym
If a prodigy is not an example of a natural genius then what is?
Even though computers can now beat all human players ( including the last couple of world champions) there is no hope that they ever will be able to calculate the entire game tree,
combinatorial explosion prohibits that. Also having a lot of personal experience playing them there style is to artificial to ever assign the phrase genius to it. Accurate yes, but not genius.
MG1
The above Quotes show you know little about Chess! and Computers!
A prodigy is a Natural Genius but not necessarily a 100% Genius! They make mistakes because they are Human! when situations affect them or in most cases other Humans.
Ever is a very,very,long time! To calculate the entire game tree regarding Chess for a Computer,in the future,which is a very,very,long time! Will be no problem for them,no more difficult than the entire game tree for Noughts & Crosses.
Computers are gradually solving all Human board games,the biggest milestone so far is the Canadian Checkers program Chinook,the game of checkers has roughly 500 billion billion possible positions ( Department of Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2E8, Canada.).
The reason you think Chess Computers play in an Artificial way is I'm sure because you have tried to outsmart them,by maybe playing three sacrifices etc. then waiting for a response you expect!
Computers don't care they don't have the same feelings to respond to false pressure put on them,they will calculate correctly regardless to what ever you do! Then turn the tables on you at the moment you least expect it,it's very hard now to rattle a top Chess program into making mistakes,by being sneaky or extra aggressive like we could in the past!
When all Humans play against a Chess Computer and it wins 100% percent of the time! And plays perfect Chess! Then to say it's not Genius is worse than Foolish!
MathGenius1
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bobbym
Yes it is a good example. Take the 1927 World Championship between Jose Raoul Capablanca and Alexander Alekhine. Capablanca, a prodigy, loads of natural talent, great intuition and speed. Alekhine, hard worker, dedicated, typified by preparation and analysis. Total victory for Alekhine even though he was slightly slower. His ideas were deeper and more accurate.
MathGenius1
Your counter example is Good? Except you are forgetting a prodigy is not necessarily a 100% Natural Genius! such prodigy's regarding Chess do suffer from mental problems when someone is constantly being negative towards them which is what Alekhine done to him!
Computers are becoming Genius at Chess...one day when they can calculate the game tree from start to finish,they would have become 100% Genius in that area! Even though they can beat 99% of all players they are not quite there yet.
MG1
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bobbym
I'll have to take your word on that.
I was speaking of endeavours where it was easy to quantify ability. Intellectually competitive games like chess, go, checkers and poker.
Mathgenius1
Chess is a very good example to show the difference between Natural Genius and Forced Genius,a Natural Chess Genius will look at a board position and make the correct move very quickly,they would not be calculating as such,a Forced Genius would look at the same position and take longer to find the correct move,because they would be referring to what they have learnt and would be calculating! This difference may not show up at first,but later when both players are tired,the Forced Genius would start to make mistakes! A bit like a computer running out of memory.
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bobbym
True, but I have seen cases of people who just wanted it so badly that they succeeded in reprogramming their mind. Either they suffered mental breakdowns or they achieved a level of proficiency much higher than everyone else.
MathGenius1
Natural Genius...is a lot different to Forced Genius!
A Genius is Born a Genius! the problems are will the person make it through life in a normal way!...
There must have been hundreds if not thousands of Genius's Born, that had their life cut short by poverty and or an unlucky childhood etc. Life just ain't fair!
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Devantè
Watch out, you can get π years in jail for dividing by zero.
MathGenius1
That can only be <4 years then! not very long...
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bossk171
JaneFairfax wrote:
Let me know if you think the poster called Megabrain is an idiot.
Comments like these are the reason I'm not more active on this forum.
MathGenius1
Could not agree more!!
Hi Everyone!
You Cannot End Something...Or Say Something Is/Or Has Already Ended When It Is Possible To Count What Exists!!
Example Infinite 0.999...It Is Possible To Count The .9's From .9 Onwards Which Equals A Count Of 1 Then .99 Equals A Count Of 2
Infinite 0.999... Has To Have A Continuous Count Value And The Count Value Will Always Be From 1 Onwards Because The Count Will Always Exist!!
As Soon As The .9's Are/Or Become Equal To 1 Then The Continuous Count Value Ends? Which Is Contradictory To The Infinite Count Value Representing The .9's
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