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The possible line segments from n points = (n-1) + (n-2) + (n-3)...

not (n-1) x (n-2) x (n-3)...

Once more multiplying when I should have been adding. And that addition sequence is represented by the symbols you know but I don't.

Thanks for hanging in there with my misguided thinking. Need to brush up on that binomial theory and symbology.

The terms for the 2 other sides to connect a line segment should be added, not multiplied. Each of the line segments on side l can connect with m+n points, not mn points. It should read:

lmn + (l-1)! x (m+n) + (m-1)! x (l+n) + (n-1)! x (l+m)

So for 1,1,1 the factorials become zero and you get one.

For 3,4,5 you get

60 + (2 x 9) + (6 x 8) + (24 x 7) = 294

Which isn't what you got. Hmmmm. The logic seems right. Have to think more on this one.

Sorry Bobby, I didn't realize that is what those high parenthesis meant. I am not familiar with the notation, though I probably have learned it in the past. Does that equate to what I came up with on second try?

Thanks

Thinking about it more I see that a triangle does not have to have a point from each side. It can have 2 points on one side. On side m, (m-1)! line segments can be made. Each of those line segments can join with any point from the other 2 sides so I would now say number of possible triangles =

lmn + (l-1)! x mn + (m-1)! x ln + (n-1)! x lm.

It seems to me that all of the points are "on the side" meaning they are between the endpoints A, B, and C. So a triangle will need to contain one point from each of the 3 groups. Any set of one point from each group will make a triangle, so I think there are l x m x n possibilities.

Bobby, take another look at your example. 4/3 -1/3 -1 = 3? Though I agree that if one side has no points there are no triangles possible I think it is because if l or m or n =0 then lmn = 0.

Do you mean on the first draw or do they work their way all through the decks?

Suppose you had a bunch of items of different sizes and shapes you had to send through the Post Office. It would make sense to figure out how to arrange them to fit in the smallest box possible, since the Post Office charges more for a bigger box. You would be trying to maximize compactness.

Have you seen the puzzles where a 3 X 3 cube is cut into 27 smaller cubes, but some of the smaller cubes are stuck together to make differently shaped pieces? The trick is to figure out how to put them back together as a 3 X 3 cube. That would be the most "compact" solution. If you don't get it right the pieces add up to something bigger than the 3 X 3 cube. I think the original puzzle was called Soma, but now it is copied all over.

I am new here and not yet profficient with the Latex language or posting charts. I can ask you to think of the 2 points you want to connect. There is a horizontal (X) and vertical (Y) distance between them. Like if you had to go from one to the other but you can only go straight up or down and straight sideways. You break each of those distances into 10 parts and take one step at a time. Each step takes you 1/10 of the way to the next point. The 10th step would be

X1 + 10(dx/10) = X1 + dX which by definition is X2.

Suppose your 2 points are at the origin (0,0) and at (10,10). Can you see how your in between points would be (1,1), (2,2), (3,3)... and how that fits into the equation I gave?

One of the more experienced people here hopefully can make you a graph.

Bobby,

Sorry to jump in on you, I just had a feeling you 2 were not quite on the same page.

You are going to add 9 in between points between each consecutive pair of points.

dX = X2 - X1

dY = Y2 - Y1

X coordinates of in between points = X1 + (dX/10); X1 + 2(dX/10); X1 + 3(dX/10)....

Same for Y coordinates.

Model,

Do you have the X and Y coordinates of the red points?

Since the terms are sort of symmetrical if you are doing trials you can leave a few out. For example if you try (2,2,3) then you don't have to try (2,3,2) or (3,2,2), since every combination of addition and multiplication is used and in addition and multipliction order does not matter (they are commutative).

I guess I am saying that you only need to try different combinations, not permutations. Order does not matter.

At least that's how I see it.

If like me you sometimes have trouble remembering which is which between combinations and permutations, just remember this four word sentence:

A combination lock isn't.

I know, you have to let it sink in for a minute...

I got logic slightly different from Bob, though I don't have another answer either:

2^x ends in 2, 4, 6 or 8

5^y ends in 5

c^2 ends in 0, 1, 4, 5, 6 or 9

2^x + 5^y ends in 1, 3, 7 or 9

c^2 can't end in 3 or 7 so c^2 ends in 1 or 9

So c ends in 1, 3, 7 or 9.

I was also tought these triangles in high school geometry. We were even made to put that chart on a 3x5 index card and keep it handy. Knowing these 2 triangles, the 45-45-90 and the 30-60-90, helps you understand basic trigonometry and the Pythagorean theorem. These triangles are called "right" triangles because they contain a 90 degree angle, which is called a "right" angle. Your handwritten page contains a table of the values and pictures of the 2, labelled "right triangle values". It does contain an error, however. In the 30-60-90 triangle the right angle is between the 1 and sqrt3 sides, not between the 1 and 2 sides. 2 is the hypotenuse (that is the name of the longest side of a right triangle). The right angle is indicated by putting the little square on it. See how you have it on the wrong angle? That is why Au101 said that based on that picture the hypotenuse would be sqrt5 instead of sqrt3.

For the values of the lengths of the sides, by convention the shortest side is given a value of one. This is for consistency.

The term "exact value" I believe refers to the fact that they use the symbols for sqrt2 and sqrt3. This is the only way to exactly describe these values. You could put 1.414 and 1.73 for those values but that is not exact. No matter how many decimal places you use you can never give an exact value for those values except by writing sqrt2 and sqrt3.

Sorry I haven't learned to use the Latex language and print the radical (square root) sign yet.

Diamond,

The Casio website has the 83/85GT Plus manual available online for free. I tried to do a cut and paste of the polar to rectangular coordinate section but it would not work. I know I am not allowed to put links in these messages, but if you go to Casio and look for calculator manuals you should be able to find it. They give an example of converting rectangular (sqrt 2, sqrt 2) to polar (answer r = 2, theta = 45).

Let me see if I can cheat the system:

Aych Tee Tee Pee colon forward slash forward slash

support dot casio dot com forward slash pdf forward slash 004 forward slash fx-83_85GT_PLUS_E.pdf

Maybeb that will make it through. You want pages E-18 and E-20.

Anandbrar,

I don't know that it would be possible to predict where the dog would be. Think of when the three just start to walk. About a microsecond later the humans are a miniscule distance apart and the dog is bouncing back and forth a million times a second or so. We are talking infinitesimals here.

It is not hard to visualize the opposite of the process. Imagine a very bouncy ball. You throw it straight down hard and it starts bouncing up and down between two boards. Now the top board starts moving down toward the bottom board. The closer the boards get the faster the ball changes direction. Its frequency increases. Theoretically that frequency will reach infinity just before the boards come together and squash the oscillation. That is not hard to imagine. But your puzzle is the same thing in reverse. The boards are the people, the dog is the ball. We are asked to decide at what point the distance between the people goes from zero to, say, one over almost infinity. Does the dog go forward or backward first? What is the smallest distance that is not zero? In the real world the first measurable distance is when the signal is first able to be separated from the noise.

Sorry if it seems that I am being abastract and not specific, but my point is that I don't think you can be specific and predict this situation.

You mention not finding any literature on the subject of the drukard's walk. I remember reading about it years ago in the book One, Two, Three...Infinity by George Gamow. I don't know if he gives an equation for it but he does discuss the concept. It is also a great book for introducing many concepts of math and science. I recommend it for anyone interested in science, from high school age to adult. On Amazon the book got 38 reviews, and 35 of them are 5 stars (the max).

I got the same answer but there did not need to be any calculus involved. At 2m the level is rising at 20cm/min. So at that instant the amount of volume increase per minute is a cylinder with a radius of 2/3m and height of 0.2m. That volume is (pi)*(2/3)^2*0.2 and throw in a factor of 10^6 to turn m^3 into cm^3. Add the 10,000cc/min that is going out and that's it. Same answer.

This is an algebra/geometry problem all dressed up to look like a calculus problem. Watch out for these, especially when taking a timed test.

Of course this assumes a bias toward the horizontal instead of vertical, but I think the writer of the question would see the circles as gAr drew them, but with less overlap.

I get 16 x (pi/3) - (8 x sqrt(3)).

Hi Freddy,

dB is by definition a ratio. The ratio has to be to a reference value. Since you are looking for negative values the reference will be the max value, 255. The equation for dB for a power quantity is

dB = 10 log P/P(ref)

10dB represents a ratio of 10:1, 20dB = 100:1, 30dB = 1000:1 ...

Your value of 65 gives a dB value of 10*log(65/255) = -5.94

The scale will not go down to -100 since that would require a ratio of 10^10 to 1. Your max ratio is 255:1. An intensity of 1 will give your lowest dB value of -24.1.

Hope this helps. Wikepedia also has a pretty good description.

Note the case of the letters, deci is a prefix that means 1/10, as always. A decibel is 1/10 of a Bel, an old unit that is no longer used. But since it was named after a person the B is upper case, but the d is not.

Hi Bob and Winky,

I saw this post but wasn't able to reply because my computer was down. Sorry for this being so late. I think to just compute the upper and lower limits does not show you understand the concept of the absolute value. The absolute value can be used because a person's weight could be above or below the target value and still be within the limits.

My answer for 5'8" would be (and I still haven't learned the math shorthand):

ABS (x - 143) < 21

Inside the parenthesis could also be 143 - x.

See Bob's last post about whether to use (less than) or (less than or equal to). You can also change the 21 to 22.

Hope this helps and isn't too late.

Tom Morgan

This is my first post here and I do not yet know how to make equations look good. I did however want to comment on this problem.

I believe there is a problem with the original premises. The equation

x = -y^2

and the statement

y is a function of x

are not, in my opinion, compatible. If you accept the definition of a function as a rule that assigns every element of one set (the domain) exactly one value of another set (the range), then in this equation x is a function of y. For every value of y (-1, 0 +1) there is exactly one value of x (-1, 0 -1). So x is a function of y. But for a value of x (-1) there are 2 values of y (-1, +1) so y is not a function of x.

As far as discussing what the correct values are for the domain and range it first must be agreed which variable (x or y) is a function of the other, which will determine which is the domain and which is the range. Also it must be clarified if the original equation

x = -y^2

is to be interpreted as

x = -(y^2) or

x = (-y)^2.

I think the way it is written implies the first, but the way bobbym solved for y, without putting a plus/minus before the square root sign, implies the second. I think either way y is still not a function of x.

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