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bob bundy
2013-06-01 17:12:04

Thanks Stefy,

That's the poem I was trying to remember.  But I thought it was a limerick.  I made that one up myself.  I'll abandon poetry and stick to maths in future.  smile

Bob

bobbym
2013-06-01 07:17:00
anonimnystefy
2013-06-01 06:57:30

Hi Bob

I love the poem, but I find this versuon better:
"Little John was very thirsty,
Now he is no more,
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4"

I think it gets worse if we change 'thought' to 'taught'.

bob bundy
2013-06-01 04:33:51

I have consulted with my resident chemist.  The problem is far from straight forward even when you know the two volumes.

For simplicity, let's say there are equal amounts of each.

The 0.01 and 0.02 mean that both are dissolved in water to give those concentrations.  If equal amounts are mixed together they will react.  One molecule of KOH with react with one molecule of HNO3 to give KNO3 and H2O.  So now there is extra water.

Only half the acid will react because of the different concentrations.  The remaining acid is now much more dilute (i) because of the water the alkali was dissolved in and (ii) because of the water generated by the reaction.  I'm still waiting for a response about what the concentration now is.  eg.  If there was 100 ccs of acid and 100 ccs of alkali, then that's 200 ccs due to (i) and what? due to (ii).

LATER EDIT:

The oracle says ignore (ii).  Cannot establish whether that's because it is negligible or because of some strange molar argument but anyway that makes life simpler.

We then have 0.02 becomes 0.01 because of the reaction, and then 0.005 because of (i).

So the answer would be -log(0.005).

eek

Bob

Agnishom
2013-05-31 17:49:17

that's a point. I will try to look for the exact question

bob bundy
2013-05-31 17:43:57

Why did he think so?

Both colourless liquids.  Always read the label!

Calculate the pH of a solution which consists of 0.01 m of KOH and 0.02 of HNO3

These two react and there may be some acid or alkali left at the end to give a pH.  But without knowing the amount of each in the solution you cannot figure that out.

Bob

Agnishom
2013-05-31 17:29:55

Why did he think so?

barbie19022002
2013-05-31 16:57:41

Oh my god...he though sulphuric acid was water...very funny..

Agnishom
2013-05-31 16:57:15

Calculate the pH of a solution which consists of 0.01 m of KOH and 0.02 of HNO3

bob bundy
2013-05-31 16:27:03

hi Agnishom

does hydrogen concentration equal to that m number times the number of molecules of H

Yes, it does.  Post your problem.

A cautionary tale:

There once was a student from Lahore,
Said: "I need a drink,  that's for sure",
His error was a blow,
What he thought was H2O,
Was actually H2SO4.

Bob

anonimnystefy
2013-05-31 15:47:32

Hi Agbishom

It seems to be so.

Agnishom
2013-05-31 15:36:46

Yes, thats sulphuric acid.

Bob, does hydrogen concentration equal to that m number times the number of molecules of H
If that is so, I wanted to post another problem

barbie19022002
2013-05-31 15:10:40

H2SO4 means sulphuric acid...right..

bob bundy
2013-05-31 01:58:12

hi Agnishom,

Answer from Mrs B:

0.002m means the concentration of H2SO4 in moles per cubic decimetre.

It's a strong acid so it is fully dissociated in water => the concentration of hydrogen ions is 0.002 x 2 = 0.004 (as it's H2.....)

The pH is then given by



Hope that helps, smile

Bob

bobbym
2013-05-31 00:35:59

It means molar does it not?

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