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I think that our concept of what is 'real', in terms of what we have been discussing, is limited only by what we see as being normal to us. It is all a matter of perspective, which may ultimately in the future incite debates like this to turn into a [insert debate concerning discrimination] debate. And, as all debates of the like have turned out in the past, I believe that there will be general acceptance of artificial life as being normal.
I weakly believe that everything is natural, because the infinite realm that everything exists in is related intimately to us in every way, and we are like brothers and sisters to everything else in the ultimate realm in which we exist.
I got the question primarily from watching several physics documentaries that aired on SBS some time ago, and from countless other sources (including, I guess, things like Kingdom Hearts, The Matrix etc.).
]]>Also, why would we terminate the program? Are they building digital creations themselves or real creations? Then I believe that our race and the race of the digital beings cannot collide. This may have a rather devastating effect.
]]>Say you created a digital world where digital beings existed. They would be just like humans: they would have their owns thoughts and emotions, but also be unaware of their situation, living life normally. The digital beings wouldn't really be humans since you created them yourself (they would be just very, very complex code) but they also would be... in a way. Would it be ethically wrong to reboot the program? Would it be ethically wrong to terminate the program?
Share your thoughts:
if u had kingdom hearts 2 and played it until ansem the wise tried to turn kingdom hearts 2 into data you'll get the answer.
where did you get the idea for that question though?
]]>People who are cooperative and "nice" tend to stick together and reject people who are "nasty".
And there is strength in a group (different abilities combine, the strong look after the weak and the weak can become strong, sharing food leads to better overall diet, several pairs of eyes can see more, etc).
So natural selection leads to a concentration of "nice" genes, and then we pass laws on "niceness" and get a police force courts etc to enforce the laws.
And society is born!
OK, that was a little simplistic, but it is a general idea of how "good" and "bad" come about.
And it is actually very interesting to think how "nasty" survives at all, but it does.
]]>Can't you kill and not be killed in responce?
Of course you can, that wasn't the point. It is(/was) more likely that you'll die, if you kill someone else.
What about those who are sadistic?
Those people probably lack the ability to feel empathy.
]]>Why is it widely accepted accross all cultures that killing is wrong and a terrible thing?
Martha-RitaEvolutionary psychology. It is an artifact of our complex brains and evolution. In the most simplistic terms, I kill person X, the friends of person X kill me. Thus, those who kill tend to be killed and don't produce offspring.
Of course, it's much more complex than that, and the field is still very new to science. But that is the basics. Our brains are preprogrammed to not like killing.
Can't you kill and not be killed in responce?
And more ... we have empathy. We don't like to see people, or cute animals, suffer.
What about those who are sadistic?
Martha-Rita
]]>Why is it widely accepted accross all cultures that killing is wrong and a terrible thing?
Martha-Rita
Evolutionary psychology. It is an artifact of our complex brains and evolution. In the most simplistic terms, I kill person X, the friends of person X kill me. Thus, those who kill tend to be killed and don't produce offspring.
Of course, it's much more complex than that, and the field is still very new to science. But that is the basics. Our brains are preprogrammed to not like killing.
]]>Martha: We have souls? I'm sorry but that's just not a valid argument in my book. An assumption I bet you can't prove to me.
First off, IF you created a form of AI as you guys describe it, no way in hell you'd turn it off
Secondly I don't think you guys are describeing life, as some of you say, it's thoughts.
Third thing I have to say, is about the 'right to kill' thing. We all have the right(I don't like that word, right. As if it was some divine rule) to kill or destroy whatever we want. Acting against what we call moral and ethics doesn't make you a bad person, just a different person. It's obvious that the person would be "bad" according to most peoples beliefs, but I don't think that the words bad and good makes sence on it's own. It has to been bad - according to x or good - according to y.
Lastly I think this is very interresting, what if we could create thoughts? Human-made thoughts, although not in human brains, would mean, to me, that we're not that special after all.
So according to this belief there is no absolute right or wrong, good or evil. We may not like wars and innocent civilians bombed but there is nothing wrong with it? Hitlar is not evil just different?
Why is it widely accepted accross all cultures that killing is wrong and a terrible thing?
Martha-Rita
Every few months you get an injection of these neurons and they gradually take the place of your dead neurons. You grow old but smarter. Eventually you are about 200 years old (most organs transplanted) and a brain scan reveals that you have no natural neurons left.
What are you?
]]>First off, IF you created a form of AI as you guys describe it, no way in hell you'd turn it off
Secondly I don't think you guys are describeing life, as some of you say, it's thoughts.
Third thing I have to say, is about the 'right to kill' thing. We all have the right(I don't like that word, right. As if it was some divine rule) to kill or destroy whatever we want. Acting against what we call moral and ethics doesn't make you a bad person, just a different person. It's obvious that the person would be "bad" according to most peoples beliefs, but I don't think that the words bad and good makes sence on it's own. It has to been bad - according to x or good - according to y.
Lastly I think this is very interresting, what if we could create thoughts? Human-made thoughts, although not in human brains, would mean, to me, that we're not that special after all.
]]>I'm starting to sound dangerously like a theist.
Maybe a bunch of codes randomly formed together which created a perfect digital world all by accident and coincidence just like our world.
The Matrix is different because that has real people that are trapped in the computer world.
Maybe what is different is the 'real' people have a soul otherwise deleting the digital people you have created in the digital world is no different than our world being 'deleted.'
Are we not programed by nature? We are programmed to eat when we are hungry, drink when we are thirsty and to multiply. We can view ourselves in the same way we view our digital creation all 'programed' to act a certain way, even with free will.
Martha-Rita
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